LilBrit Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Now I'm the owner of a boat with inboard diesel I'm trying to make sense of the fuel situation. I'm told that the 60/40 rule is being scrapped shortly but not sure if this is the case, also that the 60/40 can be claimed at a different ratio if one is using it predominantly for heating a long term moored boat. Seems daft to be paying pump prices for marine diesel, there must be a better way? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 "I'm told that the 60/40 rule is being scrapped -" No - and it's not a rule... "also that the 60/40 can be claimed at a different ratio if one is using it predominantly for heating a long term moored boat" Yes, basically you can claim at a rate you consider appropriate to the usage. If you consider that Rev and Customs can ask you to justify the latter, but are extremely unlikely to do so in the case of someone claiming 60/40 in boat size quantities, you pretty much have the situation. Now the 'new bits', from 6th April the purchaser (of red diesel)will be making an additional declaration when purchasing, but things are both in flux and somewhat confusing about this! Suffice to say that you should keep fuel reciepts for when visiting France or Holland, but avoid Belgium completely. No point in a long post about it at all so I won't. "Seems daft to be paying pump prices for marine diesel, there must be a better way?" - can't answer this 'cos I don't really understand the question; logically you would make your own and benefit from the 2,500l personal allowance under UK legislation I guess, and not put any dye in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Snipped "I'm told that the 60/40 rule is being scrapped -" logically you would make your own and benefit from the 2,500l personal allowance under UK legislation I guess, and not put any dye in it! Be very careful about "home made" fuel as many modern injection pumps are not tolerent to "unrefined" fuel. I would check with the pump manufacture to see what fuel can be accepted without any possible damage. Older type pumps as used on transits (Bosch) and Land Rovers seem to work ok. Just my 2 pennies worth Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shytalk Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 any common rail engine is very sensitive to fuel quality general consensus from engine manufacturers is an absolute maximum 20% biofuel as it contains water in suspension (also promotes bug)which lowers the lubricity of the fuel which affects the injectors and they are not cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 my apologies for the risks associated with a poor attempt at humour. I was only really highlighting a legal way to 'avoid paying pump prices' in the context of the orriginal post; I fell short of 'steal it'... I was not trying to suggest that home made diesel would be cheaper in the long run for all marine diesel engines. Thanks to those highlighting some of the risks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted April 2, 2012 Report Share Posted April 2, 2012 Paul The Customs people seem to have accepted the 60/40 split as have all suppliers. People can declare that they are using a differant ratio but they are likely to be the ones checked by Customs. For example a live onboard boat that never goes to see may get away with 100% heating, but a fast fishing boat will not. Accept the 60/40 mate. and just shop for the best supplier. Some Marinas and Yacht Clubs are keeping the prices as low as possible. especially to berth holders. Charlie Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilBrit Posted April 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Thanks all, some interesting replies! Looks like I will have to buy a diesel tank on wheels and take some of the farm red down to use in the boat LOL The whole fuel thing stinks in reality, we get caned whichever way we turn. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AQUAJAK Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 As a matter of interest...who knows the cheapest fore court pump for red Diesel..? Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) As a matter of interest...who knows the cheapest fore court pump for red Diesel..? Nick only know one (Hamworthy) and it's not far off the price of white last time I looked, remember you won't be able to buy it at marine duty levels...... Edited April 4, 2012 by duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Hamworthy was 99.8p a litre last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Hamworthy was 99.8p a litre last week. but you can't legally put that in your boat for anything other than heating surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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