Guest fish finger Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Went out with my dad on the new boat to see if we could catch a bream on Sunday. Left xchurch harbour at around 1pm and headed to a spot on the ledge about 1/2 mile from the groyne in 20ft of water. Fished for a couple of hours loads of wrasse - ballan , cuckoo and corkwing. Some good size ones aswell, my best was around 3lbs and my old man had one around 4lb. Lots of garfish around, could see them splashing on the surface. I had one of over a pound take my bait as I was reeling it in. My dad was going on about how he wished he had his fly rod with him. My dad was starting to feel a bit sick with the water a bit choppy over the ledge so we motored over to the outer patch. About 6 boats there with lots coming and going. Very little tide and we could get away with 1oz of lead, whereas we had needed 4oz on the ledge. More wrasse, lots of pout, but no bream for the first hour. My dad caught the only bream of the session after about an hour at around 2lbs. At around 6pm we headed back and had another half an hour on the ledge slightly further out. Just more wrasse. We fished with spinning rods and light carp rods all day, and the bigger fish gave a good acount of themselves. All in all a good day and my dad caught his first bream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 A first class report, well done. Light tackle fishing is great fun isn't it. Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munterhunter Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I remember when had a 18lb strap on the patch on my carp rod and 2oz lead excellent fun! This year seeing if we can get a strap on 1oz float kit and a spinning rod! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 nice to hear you got out alex this weekend i have been out for times friday, saturday, sunday and monday what a weekend. we had plenty of fish on sunday for dads birhtday but no monsters. alex what is the name of your boat so i can keep an eye out for you what does she perform like. sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Nice one Alex. I bet your dad was impressed with the fight from the bream ? As Sam said, what is your boat's name - will be able to keep a look out for you. Do you keep her moored in the harbour or was it a trailed launch ( from Wick ? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fish finger Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 We are still undecided on the name of the boat but it is a quicksilver 640 pilothouse and she is moored in RIBS marina in Christchurch. I am happy with the way she handles especially when it is a bit choppy. However I found that when doing around 25knots with the engine trimmed slightly she has a tendancy to lean to one side slightly. Is this because the crew are not evenly spaced out or could it be a problem with the boat? Paul, my dad was impressed with the fight from the bream, I looked around when he hooked it to see his 2lb tc carp rod bent double and a smile on his face. Anyone got any good ideas for a boat name? I plan to join the club with my dad when we get everything sorted. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Alex, Even a larger boat like your 640 will be susceptable to weight distribution, especially when she is on the plane and most of the hull is out of the water. I don't think this is a problem with the boat. When she is off the plane or at anchor the natural bouyancy of the hull will take over and you will not notice the leaning so much. BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 As bob said it's probably uneven weigh on the boat. Next time when you are out, put a bloke on the opposite side to counteract the effect. You would be surprise how little weigh can upset the balance, a pair of batteries is all that take. Is the boat leaning to the right? If it is, it can be torque steer, where the prop is turning the boat to the right. There is a trim anode on the leg of the outboard which will compensate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Fish finger (called so because he's a battered husband?) says... However I found that when doing around 25knots with the engine trimmed slightly she has a tendancy to lean to one side slightly What is sometimes overlooked it the 'torque' affect of a prop as it revolves. Say if you had a 14" prop rotating clockwise (viewed from the rear) there are two other forces that will affect the boat as well as the thrust forward. First the actual twisting motion of the prop will affect the boat which will try to twist the other way. (Newton.. Every action has an equal and oposite reaction). The next force to affect the steering and list of the boat is the paddle wheel affect of the prop's rotation. So once again taking the example of a clockwise rotating prop, this will try to 'walk the stearn to the right if viewed from astern) when this happens the bow of the boat drifts of to the left when under power. Some outdrives and most O/B's have small trim tabs just aft of the prop that can be adjusted to compensate for torque and paddle wheel. Paddle wheel affect also affect slow speed manouvering. Say your just approaching a pontoon, gently angled in to arrive smoothly. A tiny touch of reverse to take the way off and WHOOPS out goes the stern because the slowly rotating reversed prop spin created more paddle wheel than thrust. Mind you if you know which way the stern will swing when slowly reversing you can use it to great advantage by aproaching a pontoon or quay so that a touch of reverse will swing the stern in just as the bow arrives 2" from the quay side. And there you are stationary 6" from the side. VERY IMPRESSIVE Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 or it could be simply leaning into the prevailing breeze. This is extremely common on pilot house boats to the extent that I have even considered fitting the dreaded trim tabs to Phaeton 'cos it's such a pain in certain circumstances. Currently it remains cheaper to (1) move the lead box or (2) tell Dave to move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Hi all It effects all boats and is usually due to a combination of all of the things already mentioned. Even big powerboats have this effect and that is why most have trim tabs. Going across a tide in a wind over tide situation makes it worse Hull pushed one way by tide and topsides the other by the wind. Without trim tabs just redistribution of the weight/persons onboard will be fine. Glad your Dad enjoyed the Bream, wait untill a Smoothound or Tope takes off The naming of the boat is a very personal thing, but try and avoid tongue twisters that will be awkward on the VHF. Hope to see you afloat soon. Very tight lines Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Duncan, have you seen the Smart tabs? No electric or hydrolics. Mart Tabs Been reading about alot of it over at the iboats site, think they are about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Thanks Kam but they won't help with lean - if anything they will actuall make it worse as, in a straight line, the lower side will have greater pressure / less lift and the raised side reduced water pressure / more lift! I am happy with the longtitudinal trim control already available to me throught the drive trim and I have plenty of spare power to get up and go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Alex.........getting back to your excellent report, what fly do you recommend for the gars, and do you use the normal tippet, or tie a longer version? I'd appreciate some guidance on that one please. Cheers, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 so would I Alex,..Would -be Flyist ...jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fish finger Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 As the gars were right on the surface and in good numbers it may well be worth targeting them with a floating line. If I were going after them I would use a 4 or 5 weight rod with a size 10 beadhead type streamer fly with a bit of weight to get it to sink. Any big resevoir type trout flies would work. I would use something with a bit of flash. Alternately you could use an intermediate line with a leader of about 6ft with a streamer. I would use a straight leader of 10lb flourocarbon about 10ft. There isn't much need for a tapered leader as presentation is not that important. I am sure some ground bait would help keep the gars in the area. When I was fishing the ledge they would often follow the bait right up to the boat and splash at it on the surface. The one I caught was approaching 2lbs and gave a good scrap on a light spinning rod. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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