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[Sam]

hey guys

 

i know i did this last year but now its a level ok my project this year i have got to design a 3d model and a 2d leaflet

 

i have chossen to base my project on offshore 105 i cant think why

 

i am goin to redesign the basic offshore into more of a family boat boat based at a wider target market and what i want to know is what do people look for who want a all round boat and were better to ask

 

all ideas welcome because it all looks good on my research sheets

 

will make up a questionnaire aswell and bring it to the next meeting but would like some info so i can include it as preliminary work

 

thanks

 

sam

 

ps i got a B for last years hopefully A this year

[TomBettle]

Tough call this one Sam, turning a 1st rate angling boat into something for all the family and still leave room to fish 4....?

 

1) start the wheelhouse about 4 feet further aft and raise the foredeck height marginally to allow a proper forward cabin with standing headroom at least in the entrance. Fit a decent split rope locker in at the bow with an lectric windlass.

 

2) Within that forward cabin the bed must be a good sized double, preferrably as an "island" berth rather than a V berth with an infill.

 

3) Make use of all nooks and crannies in the forward cabin (and the rest of the boat for that matter) for cupboards, locker space and at least one (even if small) hanging locker for the ladies.

 

4) A standing headroom heads is a must. A decent basin with a shower style tap that can double up as a hot water shower on a hose. Try and fit a small bathroom cabinet in there for toothpaste, soap, shampoo etc.

 

5) Make sure the heads are connected to a holding tank of at least 90ltr. Connect that to a macerator to pump out and ideally have it connected to a 3-way valve to allow it to be bypassed or pumped out at a waste station.

 

6) If you can fit it in, try and put a small, but usable second cabin in. This will need to have headroom when you walk in, but will inevitably shallow as it slides underneath the main deck. Make sure it has natural light.

 

7) If you have space, keep the galley down at the height of the cabins as this will maximise the room in the saloon / wheelhouse. Wherever the galley goes you must have a fridge with some freezer space, plenty of cupboards for pots and pans (complete with a hidey hole for a bin), a minimum two burner hob and ideally a combination microwave / grill / oven that is either wired to an invertor or simply run off shorepower or a generator for the wealthy.

 

8) The helm needs to have a bench seat that will comfortably seat two, all dials and electronics need to be in the field of view and reachable (in a heavy sea) to the helmsman. A small chart area would be nice if space allows.

 

9) Try and maximise the space in the saloon area, clearly you need to extend the standard wheelhouse considerably. The saloon needs to be spacious, light and airy as this is where the "family" will spend most of their waking time. Comfy seating with a dining table (that possibly converts to a double - this is a must if you don't have the second cabin). Remember to use the space under seats for storage, but leave easy access to service the engine/s. A nice deck in the saloon is needed for aesthetic purposes and excellent sound proofing down to the engine room as the saloon will now be directly over the engine/s.

Also, try to remember not to make the saloon so wide that crew can't get to the foredeck easily. Outside foredeck access needs to be at least 9" wide with plenty of grabrails.

 

10) Use bright and light woodwork or clean lined surfaces to give a modern interior that doesn't feel claustrophobic.

 

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Given that the 105 is about 35' long use the following as a guide.

Rope locker 3 feet

Forward cabin fwd bulkhead to cabin door 8 feet

Galley / heads area 5 feet

Saloon / Helm area 12 feet (remember 2nd cabin can tuck back under the saloon and the dash area of the helm can extend over the top of the galley to give a true 12 feet in the saloon.

If my calculations are correct, this will leave +/- 7 feet of flat open deck and the full beam to use for angling. Further storage can be had under the deck for fishing tackle, fish hold etc.

 

If a bathing platform of about 2'6" is added to the stern of the boat it will also leave space for a tender etc.

 

In this style, you will have a coupe along the lines of a Nimbus or Saga.

You could mount a flybridge on top of the main helm, thus giving even more usable space. If you do, you'll need to think about flybridge layout, helmsman's visibility (he must be able to see allround when manouvering). Also go for steps rather than a ladder. Step design is something that will need some thought.

 

Hope that helps

 

Tom

 

 

 

[duncan]

turning a 1st rate angling boat into something for all the family and still leave room to fish 4....?

 

ah well fortunately once you get your boat into a decent cruiser the last thing you want to do is go back and pick up anglers from (their) local quays

 

so room for 2 to fish is fine!

[Sam]

hey thanks tom thats all very useful and making my research look great

 

if anyone has any other views i would love to hear them need about 10 peoples views really

 

sam

[great white]

Thanks Guys

Sam really appreciates the input

 

Tom you must have had a closer look at the new boat than I thought, where possible we seem to have already used a lot of the ideas on your list.

 

Others simply do not fit with the style of hull offshore use, you need a deeper V forward

 

Thanks again

Charlie

[TomBettle]

I am cr@p at drawing anything, but can describe it fairly well.

 

What I went through wasn't rocket science it is simply a fairly tried and tested basic design that most manufacturers try and stick to whilst putting their own twist to.

 

Also, so many potential customers are looking for that simple layout. Possibly the biggest things to try and achieve are:

 

1) An island berth in the master cabin

2) A combi grill, oven, microwave (sounds daft, but everyone asks for it)

3) Double helm position (at 35 feet you should be able to di it easily)

4) All round visibility

[Mike Fox]

All you need for proper job is then a mast and keel....

 

Mike

[Sam]

hmmm mast and keel nah think i will stick to 260 d4

 

sam

[TomBettle]

That lot will be a lot more weight.

You may want to think about 2 x D4260 and go to shafts, particularly if you go flybridge (don't have a flybridge on outdrives, the balance is horrible).

[gaffa]

Sam,

 

Think about reducing the Engine noise and vibration.

 

I went out on a charter Offshore?(35ft) can't remember actual model no. it was some years ago out of Swansea.

 

She was the fastest charter boat in the marina and really looked the part.

 

Everything was great until the skipper opened her up on leaving the harbour, she had 2 stonking big diesels installed (400+hp each from memory)

 

The noise was horrendous on the wide open deck and even worse was the high frequency vibration which shook your entire body.

I tell you this boat could give White finger vibration damage on a par with a pneumatic drill.

 

The result after an hours steaming at high revs was that all anglers were feeling sick and had splitting headaches.

It was a relief to anchor up.

 

No one looked forward to the trip back

 

Needless to say the boat didn't last long in the Swansea charter fleet

 

Gaffa

[great white]

Thanks for the message Gaffa

 

I too have fished on some of those earlier offshore 105's and the vibration and noise was very bad prior to them changing to 4 bladed props.

 

I have fished on Gary's "Prodigy" with her stern drive and she is a lovely quiet boat even when the power is on, so I hope that we can get ours the same.

 

Actually the demonstartor at Wadebridge was not too bad and they had not fitted any sound deadening at all.

 

All these messages are very helpful for Sam thanks

 

Charlie