reg Posted March 14, 2007 Report Posted March 14, 2007 Help. Someone put up an article about skate and rays and that there was only one type of skate all the others were rays. Iv looked through the forum and can't seem to find it anybody help?? Thanks Reg Quote
Paul J Posted March 14, 2007 Report Posted March 14, 2007 Check the little yellow button at the top that says"Topics" Quote
reg Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Posted March 14, 2007 Thats the one mate thanks for your help Reg Quote
Afishionado Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 Thats the one mate thanks for your help Reg Just a word of warning now we have this very cold spell forcast. Never go ray fishing when the sea is frozen over...... It's just skating on thin ice.... Mad Mike Quote
reg Posted March 19, 2007 Author Report Posted March 19, 2007 Mike can one of the lads take you out for a days fishing. even if its the local duckpond I think you are suffering withdrawel symptons . Reg Quote
Afishionado Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 The Bells! THE BELLS! Esmaralda!!! (lurches off stage right) Mad Mike Quote
plaicemat Posted March 19, 2007 Report Posted March 19, 2007 I might have known it had something to do with strong drink and a woman! Terry. Quote
reg Posted March 20, 2007 Author Report Posted March 20, 2007 Im beginning to think we all need to get out more Reg Quote
Afishionado Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 I once had a birthday greeting on a starving ray.......... Yes it was indeed, Iceing on a thin skate. Mad Mike Quote
TomBettle Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 Mike On a cold, wet and windy day. You are a ray of sunshine. See you Thursday, Skate round here at about 10:30. The kettle will be on. Tom Quote
duncan Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 funny - saw the Tom was responding to a thread on Skate and imagined he was recomending use of a 6lb class rod and a FS reel for soe bizzarre reason...........I clearly need a drink too Quote
Mike Fox Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 Wonder if the club records need updating to reflect the change in status from ray to skate...and vice versa.... Mike Quote
duncan Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 don't understand Mike? specific records exist rather than 'generic' Quote
Newboy Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 funny - saw the Tom was responding to a thread on Skate and imagined he was recomending use of a 6lb class rod and a FS reel for soe bizzarre reason...........I clearly need a drink too Bet it could be done ........ Quote
Afishionado Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 I believe skate and ray's are different spicies of the same genus. Skate being a specific stand alone species of the Ray family. This being the case then there should be a separate category for each species rather than a generic category for Rays. Mad Mike Quote
Paul D Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 I believe skate and ray's are different spicies of the same genus. Skate being a specific stand alone species of the Ray family. This being the case then there should be a separate category for each species rather than a generic category for Rays. Mad Mike ????? The club records are for specific species ( as in Ray - Thornback ). The only bone of contention is that strictly speaking this should be "Skate - Thornback". Either way they are the same fish. To my knowledge we haven't got a generic category for Rays. Quote
Afishionado Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 Thornbacks are quite definitely members of the taxonomic group RAY As too are Skate. If it makes it any clearer a skate is a member of the Ray Genus. Therefore one can not correctly say 'A thornback skate'. To be correct it has to be a 'Thornback RAY' The word Ray derives from the Latin 'Raja' which is the denomination given to the ray family. The whole grouping so far discovered is ...... Ocellate skate, Raja ackleyi Garman, 1881 African ray, Raja africana Capap Quote
Paul D Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 I quote from the linked page ( Shark Trust ) "The problem is made more difficult by the fact that many of the species around the UK coastline are misnamed. For example, the thornback ray is actually a skate!" It is indeed called commonly a Thornback Ray but the point I was trying to make is that it is not actually a Ray as it does not give birth to live young. Agreed, Skates and Ray are members of the Rajidae family but a Thornback just so happens to be a skate and not a ray. "Historically, all the skate and ray species were contained in a single genus (Raja)" Skates (order Rajiformes): Quote
gaffa Posted March 20, 2007 Report Posted March 20, 2007 I just love this Forum What a club What Banter What diverse knowledge Pete Quote
Mike Fox Posted March 21, 2007 Report Posted March 21, 2007 Good bit of research chaps! All I wanted to know was if I really got lucky out on one of the new marks (as recently shared on here), if I was going to smash the club record for Thornback Ray or Thornback Skate (etc) ... After all, it wouldn't do to be taxonomically incorrect now, would it.... Mike Quote
Paul D Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 Mike F, In answer to you question the answer is Thornback Ray as we use common names. However, it is really a skate........ ( I will put the scientific names on some time ) Been studying Fishbase ( amongst others ) as nothing on the TV and weather is awful etc. etc. Sorry but I totally disagree with you M. Mike ...... If it makes it any clearer there is no such thing as a "Ray" genus Skates and Rays are not different species of the same genus. The genus Raja is in fact all Skates. The family is Rajidae which is Skates and Rays. Where's a biology teacher when you need one eh =================================================== The species are classed as follows :- KINGDOM = Metazoa ( Animals ) CLASS = CHONDRICHTHYES Sub Class = ELASMOBRANCHII - SHARKS, SKATES AND RAYS Order = RAJIFORMES = SKATES and Rays Family = Rajidae ( Skates and Rays) Genus = Raja (Skates) What fish are "really" rays then ? The Ray orders are TORPEDINIFORMES = Electric Rays MYLIOBATIFORMES = Stingrays and Eagle Rays PRISTIFORMES = Sawfishes RHINOBATIFORMES = Guitar Fishes ================================================= References ( If in doubt ) Taxonomic Group Wilkipedia - Rajidae Fishbase ========================================== Quote
gaffa Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 See what I mean What a forum What Banter What diverse knowledge abounds in the minds of the simple boat angler - Thank god for the internet I say Quote
Afishionado Posted March 22, 2007 Report Posted March 22, 2007 (Sniff) It is a ray, so there! Mad Mike Quote
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