Coddy and trever good to meet up over the weekend, the out come is that the doelfins do seem to lift the stern; but the bow is still pointing up to the sky .trim tabs are now on order. trev the 15x15 you lent me will only get 3200-3400 rpm and i pulled 4200-4400 with a 16x13 so im going to get the pitch checked if thats ok ,maybe its been re done at some time because that does not add up to me . Thanks again for your help ill let you no the outcome Darrell