Bob F Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Here's a neat knot that I use to tie hooks when using worms.The difference with this knot is that the tag points away from the hook and back up the trace.This means that worms can be more easily slid over the knot and up the line without ploughing up the insides of the worms. The tag then helps to prevent the worm sliding back down onto the hook. Keep the tag slightly long to aid this.BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Bob - See if you can find 'The Knotless Knot' widley used in 99% of all carp fishing rigs, it is THE knot to use when using Circle hooks, gives superior bait presentation. It is also a knot, not widley known by sea anglers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted November 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Always like a challenge. Is this like trying to find a sky hook?? BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted November 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Found it. I'll 'av a go at it. BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 This knotless knot look very much like 'snelling' a hook. Incidentally this is what I use for my pennell rig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnasher Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 As a carp fisherman (I just started this sea lark a few months ago) the knotless knot is the by far the best knot i have used and i use it 100% of the time and never had it slip. Over fifty 20lb carp on it to, but i suspect a fat cod would pull back a bit harder though in the tide and test the knot better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Removed Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 I like the way with this knot, the tag points up. Someone showed me another variant of it for Cod rigs....what they did was to wind the line around the hook under the eye, then back through the eye. (Yes it is a form of whipping). What they then also did was effectively use the same whipping knot for another hook half way up the leader.... Once I had tried this a few times, I reckon its faster than any other knot I have used for the same kind of rig... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djredrupp Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 is it me... or does this look like a uni knot tied backwards?? doing the loops first, then going around them all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 That knot is exactly the same as the knot I use in heavy mono. Hold the hook in one hand and wind the mono round your thumb nail three times, take the tag end and slide it up the side side of your thumb nail, through the three loops. Lubricate and pull tight. I've used it on mono up to 150lb fluro and have never had the knot let me down. I also much, much prefer it to crimps and the damage that they can do if the correct crimping pliers are not used. As it is a strangulation knot, I've not tried in lighter mono's, but am more than happy with a grinner that retains nearly 100% line strength and achieves the same thing Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Hi Al It seems to be the other way around than the one I use for heavy mono. I pass the line through the hook, back on itself and take three turns around my finger towards the hook before passing the tag end away from the hook between finger and the turns. [ If you use the end of a large boom instead of your finger, I find it easier to push the tag end up the inside of the tube and pull the tube off before tightening the knot] The one above seems to take turns away from the hook and then back outside before tucking. If it was in the heavy line you and I use it would bulk up the knot a bit. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Charlie, "my" turns work away from the hook eye, bringing the tag end back towards the eye and then back up through the three loops. It does bulk up the knot, but using a pennel or a big single hook rig I find it makes virtually no difference to bait presentation in most circumstances. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Morning Al Next time you tie one up, have a look the way I described earlier when tightened by pulling both the tag end and the trace it really is a neat knot. It was shown to Gary and I by a chap we used to see every year at the Conger Club events, he used about 400lb mono. I have no idea what its called but it certainly works. I used to put 4 or more turns on it but have been using only 3 for years and have never had a problem. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Thanks for that Charlie, thats a really much neater version of the knot Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 No Problem Al, I hope you get a chance to load test it soon Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djredrupp Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 thats one flippin strong knot!, despite looking fairly flimsy with only 3 turns! tied it today onto an 8/0 sakuma mantra, with 2.5ft of 60lb mono, and a 1/0 swivel on the other end tied with a uni knot.... the uni knot gave way at 38lb. Then tested on a new bit of 60lb mono, with the centauri knot on both sides,,, knot broke at 38lb again (the same as the Uni knot previously), interestingly at the swivel for the second time.... on that basis i think i will stick with using the UNI knot, as it is much easier to tie, and can be tied to a high standard consistently ( i found using the centauri it gets messy, with loops overlapping each other) Has anyone got any recommendations for a knot to use with thicker mono (60lb +) as well as lighter mono (25lb amnesia), other than the uni knot? Not very scientific, but i hope this helps! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Dan try a polamar knot mate its supposed to be a 100% knot Its a simple one to tie to something like a swivel, but it is bulky I would be interested to know what that and my version of the centauri knot fail at on your 60lb mono. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djredrupp Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 just tested it know, dont knot about a 100%knot, but was definately stronger than the others, breaking at 44lb. Interestingly, all 3 tests have broke at the swivel, rather than the hook. looking at both eyes, i expect this is because the swivel wire is of a finer guage than the 8/0 sakuma mantra extra, so exerts more pressure on the line ( pressure = force / area ) So far this is the strongest knot i have tested, with the perfection loop being the weakerst ( interesting for me, as all my hook snoods were tied with this on the end for ease of changing ). I dont think this knot broke at the knot (the coils going around) but instead at the point which it goes round the eye, were i suppose the stress isnt in the direction the mono wants it! (along its length) Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djredrupp Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 just had a second look at the surviving knot after it has been under load, and it doesnt look to good! the trace line comes out of the knot at 90 degrees, looking as if it is bent over by another part of the knot ( ? ), which wouldnt be too strong! Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I don't know how many times you are going through the eye of the swivel with the line.....but i`m guessing just once. would be interested to know the results when going through the eye twice .? Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Hi Dan some interesting results, but it sounds like it may not be failing at the knot. Perhaps you could try again with a much bigger swivel about the same gauge as the hook. I know it is definatly something of interest to a lot of us, not really just for those traces tied in the heavy mono, its much more relevant to the bass fisherman using lighter traces. If I am using lighter gear 10 to 20 lb traces I want the knots to be as near 100% as possible, thats why I tend to use the polamar knot which is doubled where it goes through the hook or swivel. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinbad Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 It would be interesting to see who could tie the strongest knot at the next club meeting, using the same swivels etc - and set up a test rig... Any takers ? I've just learnt a few new ones for leader to braid, but would like to know which one is the best. Also how you do the turns and pull them up sometimes has alot to do with the strength, so a few of us would introduce the variation of the test. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 That sounds an interesting experiment Paul. I would be up to trying to tie the strongest knot ( but don't expect to win though ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Can I bring the Mono and watch you break it??? 300lb ?? But seriously it would be interesting in say 60 lb and 40 lb mono. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 If we do it the cave man way at the club - I could then take some rigs to work and use the forcemeter to give exact readings, and graphs and video!! Maybe I am looking in to this too much!!! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alun j. Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Is there a simple [??] strain gauge with a peak reading thingy\device someone has\could bring along...... ...... so that we could each tie up a piece of the same mono to , say, two swivels and stretch to breaking. If we each put 50p or a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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