Coddy Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Took Sammy out from Xchurch just after low tide as the b***dy brakes had jammed on due to lack of use Shot round to see if we could get any makereral and managed about 4 or 5. My son Jamie, caught the smallest Pollock I have ever seen on feathers. We then went off to Xchurch ledge and found Wrasse city. Bill had a nice Ballan of about 2.5lbs+ and I managed smaller models, I then managed to get a Garfish. About 2.30 we decided to go inshore as it started to get lumpy as the wind strength increased. Try trolling over the bar but nothing taking so we called it a day and slowly went back up the channel as jamie trolled his J13 plug. He even managed to get a small Bass half way. We arrived at the slip to be greated by the Water Bayliff who explained that we had been photographed trolling in the river and did we belong to the local fishing club and if not did we have a day ticket! After explaining that we knew nothing about the rules of fishing in the river and that we were very sorry he said ok just don't do it again! You can spin if moored but NO trolling! Did not want to ask where all the signs and information about what you can and can not do as we did not want to upset anyone. So those who go Mullet fishing and do not belong to the Christchurch club or have a day ticket be warned you will have your photo taken! Nice day to be out however but dead tired now as jet lag catching up which did not help with all that fresh air. Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wedger Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Did this Bailiff show you his official card first? and did he give you his name to match the card? and if he did, what was his name? ............. and where exactly did he say the river begins eeer.... or ends should I say? I am given to understand the foreshore begins below the high-water mark. As such this would mean that most of The Run is in fact sea, and not river, as the gravel bank opposite the key is submerged on big tides. I'm sure we have a member with the definitive answer, but if not, I have a pal in DEFRA who will tell us I'll wager. This is an important one to clear up as no doubt your chappy would claim that you were fishing for seatrout in the river some small men with big sticks do get it really wrong when over zealous.............frequently . Also, I understood that spinning was not allowed from the stakes above the beachhuts and upstream. Comments please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Trev, PJ or Manic Moore (Gordon) have the gen on where the "policed" club waters start and end, and from my convo with Coddy last eve, I'm of the same opinion as you, an over zealous baliff. Baliffs are required to identify themselves to would be poachers, as whatever is said after this, is admissable should the evidnece end up before magistrates, no caution/identification......inadmissable evidance, thats the rules!!!!! Its interesting to note that section 77 of the theft act provides an offence thus, "Any person who takes OR destroys, or attempts to take OR destroy, ANY fish from ANY water that forms part of a private fishery, IS guilty of an offence". Any offence under the theft act is what is known as an arrestable offence, theft carries a prison sentance which is fixed by law, its the discretion of magistrates as to whether they gaol you. If you are subsequently arrested for offences under this section, any equipment can be confiscated, which means boats and trailers, and towing vehicles, not to mention hundreds of pounds worth of tackle. After arrest, its lawfull to search any property inhabited wholly or partly by the offended, PACE provides this power, so, a simple mistake on behalf of a club member could result in a very embarrasing situation, which may involve a minimum of six hours in a cell!!! They also would probably bail you, pending further investigation, which means you are without equipment untill they have finished investigation.......food for thought. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Did this Bailiff show you his official card first? and did he give you his name to match the card? and if he did, what was his name? ............. and where exactly did he say the river begins eeer.... or ends should I say? I am given to understand the foreshore begins below the high-water mark. As such this would mean that most of The Run is in fact sea, and not river, as the gravel bank opposite the key is submerged on big tides. I'm sure we have a member with the definitive answer, but if not, I have a pal in DEFRA who will tell us I'll wager. This is an important one to clear up as no doubt your chappy would claim that you were fishing for seatrout in the river some small men with big sticks do get it really wrong when over zealous.............frequently . Also, I understood that spinning was not allowed from the stakes above the beachhuts and upstream. Comments please! Hi all, Yes the guy came up to us when we came along side the bank at Wick Ferry. He showed us his card, which had a name on but can not remember it, but I thought he wanted to check for undersized fish. As all we had were some mackerel I was not bothered. The end of the Christchurch waters is some blue buoys up near Mudiford but how the hell you are supposed to know that beats me. I think the problem is that they get Sea Trout and Salmon up the river and from what he said they are VERY sensitive about anyone catching these fish without a permit. Trolling is a big no no but spinning from a moored boat is ok, again a permit is required. I have tried to find out information from the web site of Christchurch Angling Club but even that is not very clear unless I am being thick (no comments please) He also claimed that a couple of fishermen in a boat advised us to stop trolling but all three of us did not hear a thing and as I came the whole way in on tick over and the engine is a 4 stroke it is very quite so we would have heard I am sure! I look forward to hearing the comments from any Xchurch club members and would like to ask how anyone is supposed to know if there are no signs or if there are some signs where are they? I have to say that the guy was very nice about it and I think because we did not argue and admitted to our error that all went well but I could see that some people may have got a bit more aggressive. Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Coddy, I was a CAC member for 6 years and from what I can remember the rules were such: Club waters end at the bottom of the Clay Pool - this is for both bank and boat, for coarse and sea trout / salmon (you need a licence for the last two) downstream from here the bank is the only place you need a licence or day ticket until you get the the run which is then the beach and therfore free to all. I have fished for 4 years from the boat spinning for mullet below the clay pool and have never been asked for a ticket. PJ may be able to comment more accuratly as he was a member until last season. For a definitive answer Loni's or Davis tackle should know. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Coddy Ah! I forgot to ask a key question! Was he a CAC baliff or an Environment Agency Fisheries Officer? I hadn't realized you trolled all the way back to Wick, not Mudeford. However, the designated areas and laws/rules obviously still need clarifying . Wedger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Have not fished in xchurh inside the run,but have frequenly boated up to wick. there used to be a sign next to the moorings at the seaward end of the harbour,to the affect that any fishing beyond that point needed a licence and permit. Perhaps it's gone now ! Not really of use,just an observation...jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Coddy Ah! I forgot to ask a key question! Was he a CAC baliff or an Environment Agency Fisheries Officer? I hadn't realized you trolled all the way back to Wick, not Mudeford. However, the designated areas and laws/rules obviously still need clarifying . Wedger He was a CAC Baliff I have since been advised that there are NO SIGNS anywhere!!! Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnasher Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 im still with the xchurch club and in the book it states that any club member can ask to check that you are an up to date member, so thats over 1000 fisherman who could potentially ask to see your permit if they wanted to. Also be careful as the environmental agency could also ask to see a rod licence and if you are fishing with more than 2 rods then 2 rodlicences are required. 2 rod lecenses for 3 rods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I'VE ENCLOSED A MAP OF THE HARBOUR and marked Clay Pool with lines and the shore boundry with x's A license is required to fish the harbour, im not sure about the rules for boat fishing below Claypool and if Christchurch AC only contol only the bank fishing or not. PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Thanks Paul At least I now know where Clay Pool is now Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 im still with the xchurch club and in the book it states that any club member can ask to check that you are an up to date member, so thats over 1000 fisherman who could potentially ask to see your permit if they wanted to. Also be careful as the environmental agency could also ask to see a rod licence and if you are fishing with more than 2 rods then 2 rodlicences are required. 2 rod lecenses for 3 rods. Hi Dan Does your book of rules say anything about boat fishing? Trolling or spinning? All seems a bit fishy to me (pun intended) Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 The permits to fish Stanpit which is south of Claypool ( ie. The area where you see the mullet fisherman on the LHS as you steam out ) states that spinning is not allowed ..... However, a blind eye is turned to those spinning with a rag for mullet. The intention is to stop spinning for sea trout and salmon. ( Didnt stop me catching one on a regworm a few years ago though ! ) Spinning ( and even worst trolling ) in Claypool is a definite no no and would get you into grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Hi Paul Thanks for the info but unless I am being thick, stupid or something (again no comments please ) surely the local fishing club who have the rights of the water MUST put up signs to advise. Am I missing something here? Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 If it was a river stretch, clubs have to put up signs saying it's private fishing, not sure about the harbour, maybe it's in the harbour bylaw bury somewhere deep in the harbour charter or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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