Member Removed Posted June 12, 2007 Report Posted June 12, 2007 hi lads heading out at the weekend to view/test a late 2002 combo as above..just wondering if any of you guys have a similar combo from the same year or there abouts and how you find it,,as i do a lot of long range trips i am a little concerned about the engine age and the fact i dont know much about that model,,any info would be great cheers,,,,,, Quote
Paul D Posted June 12, 2007 Report Posted June 12, 2007 Haven't owned a Warrior 165 but Adam F had one with a 60 HP engine and I think he considered it underpowered ( especially when my Orkney 520 went faster than it one day ) Quote
Member Removed Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Posted June 12, 2007 ha ha paul but having owned a 520 some years back id say it must have been on a very calm day,,the 520s are great till the water chops up then its rosery beads time... Quote
plaicemat Posted June 12, 2007 Report Posted June 12, 2007 I have a 165 with a 60hp Bigfoot of the same year and am more than happy with it. The 60 gives me about 26 knots, which for me is ample. If I was buying from new or replacing the engine, I think I woud go for a 75hp just to get me out of the hole a bit quicker, expecially with 2 big blokes or 3 people on board. Terry. Quote
Paul D Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 ha ha paul but having owned a 520 some years back id say it must have been on a very calm day,,the 520s are great till the water chops up then its rosery beads time... Totally agree - It was a flat calm day and as soon as the water chops up a bit it is back down to around 12 knots. Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 As an owner of a 165 with a 75 Etec, I believe in that class of boat it is hard to beat. Adams 165 had a 60, 4 stroke, the added weight certainly slowed it down and although a top speed of 23 knots is fine the power to wieght mean't it was sluggish out of the hole. The 60 2 stroke is a good combo but you have to consider fuel economy against how much you are going to pay for the outfit. I wouldn't consider it over Quote
Newboy Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 As an owner of a 165 with a 75 Etec, I believe in that class of boat it is hard to beat. Adams 165 had a 60, 4 stroke, the added weight certainly slowed it down and although a top speed of 23 knots is fine the power to wieght mean't it was sluggish out of the hole. The 60 2 stroke is a good combo but you have to consider fuel economy against how much you are going to pay for the outfit. I wouldn't consider it over Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 Well now I think that requires some debate.......... Quote
Member Removed Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 thanks for the replies lads,,it is a 2 stroke enging by the way.the condition well the boat would pass for a 06 its realy spotless,,but the engine looks its age plane and simple and its this that has me concerned,,he is looking for 11k but as its a boat yard im sure he is looking for a good profit,,ill have to check the hours when i see it but as a guide i should be looking for less than 100hrs per year max would that be right,,never did have an hour clock on any of my previous boats,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 I think you are right to be concerned. With an imaculate boat and and old looking engine, you need to be wary that they haven't wisked off the original engine and replaced with something off a work boat. Even a busy private boat would have only done 100 hours per year. If it looks older than the boat it probably is. Quote
Paul D Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 2 Stroke 60HP engine will not be particulariy economical and the re-sale value of the old 2 strokes is less than then new generation engines. Personally, I would look for a package with a 4 stroke or with an E-Tec or Optimax engine or get the price knocked down. Quote
Member Removed Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 the extras are :-simrad vhf,hummingbird dual ff,garmin gps map and bow cousions.. Quote
Member Removed Posted June 13, 2007 Author Report Posted June 13, 2007 but i think you would agree the boat is in good shape, Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 (edited) What about; twin batteries, rod holders, anchor, chain, warp, fenders, bow lines, bilge pump. The engine looks about right for 4 years old. But paul is right, resale for that engine I imagine would be hardly Edited June 13, 2007 by Manic Moore Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 Not sure what your budget is but this one is far better value and only 1500 more (would prob take 12000) http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F149230/ Quote
Paul D Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 The engine on her looks to be exactly the same one that Nipper had when he owned Enticer ( before ditching that engine for an E-Tec ). Enticer went well with that engine but the fumes and economy will be bad. Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 13, 2007 Report Posted June 13, 2007 Phil Have a look at Boats and Outboards, click on fishing boats then type in warrior into key word, there are 4 pages of warriors, with many appearing better value than the one you are considering Good luck Gordon Quote
plaicemat Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 I bought mine 2 years ago in excellent condition with a lot of extra's and paid Quote
Seamouse Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 The engine is older than the boat, that's an earlier Bigfoot livery than my 2001 engine was. Steve Quote
Member Removed Posted June 14, 2007 Author Report Posted June 14, 2007 thanks for the help lads i took all your comments on board and im looking at some different options,,i agree it has to be at least 2k+ over priced,,cheers lads Quote
Adam F Posted June 14, 2007 Report Posted June 14, 2007 Phil, Push yourself another couple of grand and get a proper Warrior http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/F144982/ Whatever you do - DONT RUSH... the Warrior's are so popular their is always a good selection up for sale. I rushed 1st time round and got a good boat and a dog of an engine - it cost me another Quote
Mike Fox Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Interesting thread. This might be a silly comment, but if they are so popular, why don't people just keep them and not put them up for sale? Are they considered an "interim" boat that people buy before upgrading to something larger? Some of the most popular makes of yachts rarely come on the market because people are so happy with them! Very often they are kept for 10 years or more, and when they eventually come onto the market, they are sold for more (in pound terms) than they were bought for. Mike Quote
Adam F Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 Good point Mike, They do stay with thier owners, however with the 165 esp. I think that it is case of bigger and better - certianly most of the ones I have heard of being sold are due to upgrading - myself being a prime example People who dont wish to upgrade tend to keep hold of them, or just update with a newer version - you'll have to try very hard to beat what is the best in it's class! Quote
Manic Moore Posted June 15, 2007 Report Posted June 15, 2007 You are right, also people start to need a boat that does more eg cabin for comfort, tool shed for the wife, bigger for off shore etc Quote
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