Member Removed Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Our boat is Antares 6, weight 2 Tonnes, Length 6.5 metres. The anchor is a 11 Kg Bruce Claw shackled at the top with 7 metres of chain - and we have an Anka Yanka. We always have major difficulty with a rocky bottom or when the water depth exceeds 15 metres. Please could someone advise on: >> What kind of anchor we should use and how it should be set up? >> How to deal with an Anka Yanka when the anchor is well and truly stuck. ========= This is our experience. Anchored up over the slates in 25 m depth with current running at about 2-3 knots. As the anchor would not come up, we tried to drive over it. (Not sure if the anchor stuck due to wrong anchor type, or having the chain and shackle attached to the top rather than the bottom.) As the warp went under the boat there was a risk of fouling the prop. So we tried to pull some warp in. The current was pulling the warp under the boat so strongly, we could barely pull in any warp in at all. So we decided to deploy the Anka Yanka. We drove forwards at 45 degrees to the warp at 4-5 knots as per instructions.. As the warp passed the rear deck, an attempt to recover it resulted in a broken boat hook. We eventually got the warp and held it to the stern with a short length of rope to prevent it going under the baot and fouling the prop. The boat started to to pull round in a circle. We ended up putting too much strain on the stern and there was serious risk of the stern being pulled down whichever way we turned. The boat was being pulled in one direction by the engine and by the current in the other and it was not even possible to turn the boat in any direction to reduce the pressure so the warp had to be cut. Given this experience, I wonder if an Anka Yanka is as safe and useful as we thought...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codless Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 question is your bouy big enough,and was your anchor rigged to trip ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) Do you trip you anchor? If not then you need to - 3 or 4 cable ties (others will correct me if that is not enough as I use 2 but my boat and engine only weigh 400kgs!) If it is not tripped then you can not pull it out backwards if stuck. you should not need to tie the rope on to the boat - if you do it correctly it will not foul the prop. Ensure you only head off at 30\45 degrees for a few meters (10 -20) then drive parallel to the line you held when at anchor (almost over the top of your anchor). The tide on the line and the buoy will stop it getting near the prop. There is certainly a knack to doing it and you need to be confident too, as you can't to it at 50% or you will have problems! Next time you are out you might well find a club boat who will demo this for you - or hitch a ride! I certainly learn't this by being shown from being out with Alun J and Paul D. Rob Found on Web: 1) This is the boat at anchor 2) Steam off at approx. 30 degrees from anchor position. 3) When the buoy is just past your transom, steam parallel to the anchor position. 4) Keep steaming forwards until the anchor is on the surface and the buoy is against the anchor. 5) Turn the boat across the tide, take it out of gear and drift back to your anchor pulling the rope in. Edited October 29, 2008 by rob francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codless Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 sounds right to me my boat only does six knots and it still pulls out .i use huge cable ties about half inch wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 (edited) Clive - great looking fising boat - how come your not a club member???? Rob Edited October 29, 2008 by rob francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Patrick, The Slates is a well known anchor graveyard, many of us get stuck there at times. The shackle must be on the bottom to break free effectively in rocky ground like that PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaicemat Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Without trying to be smart, I don't think anyone mentioned together that the chain should be shackled at the bottom of the anchor (PJ) and then attached at the top with cable ties (Rob mentioned the ties, as did codless, but not where) to enable it to trip when pulled backwards or up. Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Patrick Very good advice above. Nothing wrong with the anchor you are using as obviously it gets a good grip. It is best used with the Anka Yanka recovery syatem and always rigged to trip. This recovery method is a very good skill to learn as it is a lot easier to recover the anchor this way than hauling up the chain and anchor by hand. cutting anchor warps is a costly excercise. If all the advice is a bit baffling and you are afloat in Poole during the week bring the boat into PYC Yacht Haven and I will talk you through it all. If you can make it a lunchtime 12.30-13.30, I will jump onboard and demonstrate how its done. Cheers Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Removed Posted October 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 All Many thanks for all the helpful posts. The main problem may well have been not putting a trip on the anchor. The other I suppose is how to use the Anka Yanka better.... How do you choose which side of the anchor to go when driving forward? Assume the wind comes from the port side. Then the warp would be in a curve - and the apparent position of the anchor would appear more to the port that it actually is.. so potentially you could go over the anchor - or too far to the port of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaicemat Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 When you see how it works, you will realise this is not a problem. One demonstration will be worth a thousand words. Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Patrick All good advice above. One thing you did wrong which hasn't been mentioned is you should not of shortened your anchor rode before doing the anka yanka thing, if anything you should have lengthened it. Sounds to me like you have a good idea of what should happen but as yet not quite got it all together. Take up an offer of someone coming out on your boat or theirs and be shown. As Terry says you will pick it up much quicker by being shown. You should also not be putting yourself or crew in danger if shown how to do it correctly. If you like I would be prepared to come out for an hour to run it all past you, either your boat or mine. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Patrick, Ditto here, or happy to come out with you to demonstrate how it is done. One thing I never do is attach the warp to the stern of the boat as if stuck it is surely the quickest way to pull the boat down. Also, if done properly the warp should never be under the boat. Regarding which side, I steam my anchor out with the buoy on the starboard side, for no other reason than the helm is on that side, so easy to keep an eye on the buoy at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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