alankirby Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I`ve just got a 60L barrel to make into a live bait tank. The question is, where is the best place to have the water inlet coming into the barrel ? I see on Adam`s post he did a while back he has the inlet and outlet at the same height and says that he thinks this works best. Wouldn`t this meen that the fresh water going into the tank could go straight out without mixing with the other water,and would you end up with stale water in the bottom of the tank?? I would have thought it better to have the water inlet at the bottom of the tank so fresh water travels the full hight of the tank till it reaches the outlet at the top !!! I`ve got a Rule 360 pump and also a non-return valve to use but i`m not sure this would have enough power to pump into the bottom of the tank with a head of water. What do you think guys and where have you got yours ???? Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady jane Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 i think there is a post to say that the 360 was not good to bottom feed. on mine i am going to try putting a pipe from the top entry to the bottom with holes in it so as to circulate all the water . andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBettle Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I may be wrong, but, from what I remember, most of the charter skippers have a small bore copper ring around the inside of the tank at the top. This is plumbed to the inlet and then drilled in numerous places to allow fresh water to flow evenly around the top of the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Alan, Your right to have the inlet on the bottom and the outlet at the top. Its also a good idea to have the inlet angled on entry to make the water run in an anti-clockwise direction making the fish swim in clockwise direction. Apparently, in the northern hemisphere, most fish swim clockwise naturally and they are not as stressed in a livebait tank set up this way as they would be if set up the other way. This will leave you with happy baits that last much longer Hope that helps Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankirby Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks for the info. I`m not sure though if the Rule 360 pump would have enough power to pump in from the bottom so i might put the the inlet about halfway up the barrel. I don`t really want to get another pump. The other option would be to get the inlet hose down from the top into the bottom of the barrel but i wanted to use tank fittings so i can keep the lid on to stop spillage. Any ideas on doing it this way ?? Cheers Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Alan, Mine ended up this way as I am a victim of the measure it once, cut it once and then regret it! I didnt really think, it was only afterwards I thought that the inlet should have gone low. In hindsight it was the correct choice. The 360 isnt powerful enough to bottom feed a 60l head of water - In the top it creates a nice load of areating bubbles and flows srtongly. All of the charter and commercial models I have seen are also rigged this way. As Tom says a few have a ring of hose, with holes around the rim, but Im not too sure this makes alot of difference. I am 100% happy with mine and would do it exactly the same if I did it again. Let me know if you want anymore advice. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankirby Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks Adam, I just found this spray head which might be good. It`s made by Rule and is included in there Livebait tank kit. Oxygenator Spray Head not sure how i`d rig it in the barrel though Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 By the look of it I reckon it is a skin fitting with the main body of the unit outside of the barrel - if so I would be very interested in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 You could always run a tube from the inlet to the bottom of the tank Im goiing to run it from the top as too much turbulance at the bottom where the fish hang out can stress them and knock off scales. I have a rule 500 and i think it's a bit strong so the 360 would be better. the fish swimming clockwise is a good tip Im going to put in two outlets, one of which i can cap off. This allows running the tank at 1/2 full when im using smaller baits and means im not carrying the extra weight when i don't need it. PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Paul, How did your new barrel turn out? T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Way too big-im still looking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankirby Posted April 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 I`ve just about finished my livebait tank but now i have a question about the pump. My boat only has one battery which is 110AH, my Yanmar engine has an 80A alternator. Do you think it would be ok to run the pump (Rule 360) all the time or should i just run it now and then to change the water in the tank ?? I don`t want to end up with a battery that won`t start the engine !! I have the pump rigged with the in-let hose going in near the top of the tank through a hole in the side,down to the bottom of the tank and a 32mm waste fitting near the top for the water to drain out over the side of the boat. I`ll take some pics the weekend and post them to show how i did it if you like. Cheers everyone Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 You should be Ok - I have two batts, but run the 110 AH 99% of the time and have no problem - ideally I would always advise 2 batts (maybe the next job 4 u??) Try it and see how you get on? Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 I`ve got a Rule 360 pump and also a non-return valve where can i get a valve like this? my inlet is halfway down and it drains out of this when the pumps off thanks Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 PJ, to combat this, I placed my inlet high in the tank, put an elbow in the inside joint, a downpipe all the way to the base of the drum, a blank on the bottom of this downpipe, then drilled holes at the four compass points down the pipe. All my holes were drilled of the same diameter, in hindsight, smaller holes or indeed no holes at the base may have worked better, with slightly, and I mean only slightly smaller holes in the top half. Also, maybe it would be better to only have holes on one side of the downpipe to create more of a current inside the barrel. I may cut another length and try this next time were out. With placky screw fittings hand tight, its a piece of cake to change parts. As the water is pumped into the tank, the spray from the inlet downpipe is at the height of the water in the barrel, UNTILL such time as the water lever reaches the outlet pipe, which is three inches below the inlet pipe, thus allowing a spray jet of water into the barrel from above the waterline, oxygenating as it pumps in. You can also use a natural method of iducing O2 into the barrel, by piercing the inlet pipe at the top by the outside of the barrel, and the movement of water going through will pull air through this hole. I didnt like this method, which is why I included a small aerator on mine. It kept four inch trout alive all day in circulated borehole water. Hope this helps. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Alan, For what its worth, I copied Adam's set up except my inlet is about 4" higher than the outlet at the top of the tank using a 500 gph pump. Used it twice now this year and it certainly keeps the mackerel alive all day no problem. Even kept Chris's 6oz Bream alive all day Sunday, after he dropped it in during a classic fish fumble. Yet to try it with sand eels or Launce. Gordon H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 A new club sponsor supplying bait tanks and associated bits coming to a screen near you soon Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 I just sorted my no return valve,i'll let you know how it works PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Better be sorted out as I hear there is no going back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Heres how I made my tank.........first obtain Barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Then I cut two holes, the smaller with a flat wood bit, the larger with a hole saw. The inlet hole, (smaller) is 22mm dia and 100mm from top of barrel, the larger, 1 1/2" is 170mm from top of barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Then put in the fittings, the top 22mm fitting is a straight through, washer on inside of barrel, the larger, again straight through, washer also inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Then I put in the downpipe. This is a short length, (50mm) 22mm pipe fitted into the through fitting, then fitted to a 90 degree elbow. The down pipe, again 22mm, is 400mm long, ending in a stop end. Holes are drilled at 90 degrees around the down pipe, top to bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Then I used Push typre fittings for speed of assembly/dissasembly, the black hose is 1 1/2 inch dia, pushed onto a white waste water push in hose from B&Q, the smaller black hose fits tightly over the bilge pump end, and pushes over the short end of 22mm grey pipe coming out of the brass outer fitting on the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Here are the hoses I used, together with pump. The larger hose is 1200mm long, so it can be thrown over the side of the boat when discharging, the smaller diameter hose is slightly longer, to allow it to fall into the water below the gunwalls. The cables for the pump were extended to reach the battery at the back of the boat, crocodile clips added to allow easy attatchment to battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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