Wedger Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 A great deal of useful chat re anchor choice and technique in the HELP section. It would be useful to have some comment on setting a trip appropriately. I've seen everything from baler twine to cable ties, shackled direct and old steel trace . Personally I use a piece of braided cord and replace it every few trips . But, what is the correct way ? Wedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Andy and I. [the clubs previous anchor/rope/chain losing specialists ] have settled into a satisfactory and so far successful routine.We use 2 plastic ties [9" white ones]. If you tug at them with lashings of power when they are jammed in,they will break.Under all other circumstances encountered so far,they hold well...jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Large cable ties, have plenty onboard, if one breaks, it's easy and quick to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 A great deal of useful chat re anchor choice and technique in the HELP section. It would be useful to have some comment on setting a trip appropriately. I've seen everything from baler twine to cable ties, shackled direct and old steel trace . Personally I use a piece of braided cord and replace it every few trips . But, what is the correct way ? Wedge Trevor, there is no correct way There are a multitude of answers each given on someones personal experiance. One of the factors and perhaps the most important one, is the weight and power of the boat using the tripping anchor. I see someone has sugested 2 X 9" cable ties. Splendid on a fairy solid powerfull boat but almost unbreakable with a 16ft day boat. Having a tripping anchor is going to be a waste of time if one makes the weak link too strong for ones boat. In an ideal world I supose one would try anchoring with a light trip and work ones way up to finding one that brakes out with applied force but doesn't pop out on every retrieve. However like you, I have found, that cheap poly twine works fine and is less costly than cable ties. I have been using it for 40 years or so, so I guess it will do for me . From my point of view you are doing it the correct way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Cable ties for me. Two are usually the correct number. It's a balance between being strong enough to hold in the prevailing conditions whilst at anchor, and being weak enough break out if the anchor gets stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Same as Bob. Trev - I would suggest the same as Jack and Andy - Otter is a pretty heavy and powerful beast - she should have no problem snapping to ties. I find ties are neater and more importantly quicker to chnage and replace - cheap too if you pick them up at the right places - i.e -not B&Q!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 I too use two cable ties A friend of mine has a Mitchell 31 with a plough anchor and also uses cable ties if that helps. Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britboard Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 lots of chat about where to buy string and ty-wraps, but is anyone actually going to tell us all how to set-up and trip various types of anchor Iv'e got a Danforth. please!!! Simon L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Here's how to trip a Bruce anchor. I've shown a single tie wrap for clarity. BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 And here's the sequence of what happen's to make the anchor trip as you are motoring it out. Lying at anchor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 The initial move uptide and at a 30-45 degree angle to the port or starboard of the anchor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Passing over the anchor the line will start to tighten. If the anchor isn't stuck it will pull straight out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britboard Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 blimey Bob you can't alrf draw quick, are you related to that Australian chap with the beard, sheet of tin and three legs. thanks Simon L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 But if the blades are stuck the anchor line will start pulling on the end where the tie wraps are. The tie wraps eventually snap and the anochor has tripped allowing the anchor blades to be pulled out backwards. The anchor bouy (not shown) will slide down the anchor line as you keep motoring forward, and will eventually run over the chain and stop at the anchor. Keep motoring forward and the bouy will bring the anchor to the surface. You can usually feel the anchor line rattling as it passes over the chain. This is your signal that the anchor is at the surface. You then throttle back and do a slow about turn and motor slowly back towards the bouy whilst your crew starts pulling in the slack anchor rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 ...well, I do have a reputation with the ladies for having three legs...but that's another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted April 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Geepers Bob................. Even the drawing looks like Otter . Near perfect Mi 21. Do you do boat design as well Thanks All. Wedge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted April 17, 2006 Report Share Posted April 17, 2006 Two ties for me as well. Have no problem breaking them when needs be ( with a little bit of force - as I indeed needed to do today whilst anchoring on the ledge ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reg Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Do you not pull from the stern as we do. rather then the bow . ???? or is it just a matter of choice. REG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted April 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Reg, Entirely a matter for the skipper, but I consider a pull from the stern to be potentially dangerous. There's been a few threads on this one but if you search back I referred to an event over St Albans ledge where an old friend almost lost his boat pulling from a stern cleat. Even a trip set anchor can lead to trouble on snaggy ground. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBettle Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Reg If you have a stern cleat that stands proud of the gunnel then it is fine to just lift the taught anchor rope over it to hold the rope clear of the prop, but never tie off to it just in case the anchor is stuck completely. If it is stuck the boat will swing round stern to the tide and potentially pull the transom under. If t is just lifted over the cleat then it can be simply lifted off again if it is stuck. Just my humble opinion. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 and an excellent one too Mudhopper............. do not be temptet to even take a turn around that stern cleat - just lead the warp over it so that you know where it is and can steam confidently forwards to break out the trip etc As Adam has already said many of these techniques will not be suitable for the smallest boats - in this one for example if the anchor is really stuck the downward pressure that could be bought to bear on the rear quarter could be an issue and care must be taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBettle Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Bl@@dy Mudhopper!!!!! Grrrrr! Not happy with certain members of this forum for this one. I have a feeling that this will keep rearing it's head for a long time to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 suspect you will have the oportunity to substitute flattie fanatic brill boy or dogs pollacks if you perform over the comming week.......................otherwise it's going to be mudhopper for a fair bit I suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBettle Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 suspect you will have the oportunity to substitute flattie fanatic brill boy or dogs pollacks if you perform over the comming week.......................otherwise it's going to be mudhopper for a fair bit I suspect Oh Duncan I am sure I will have the opportunity of introducing you to the delights of a Wicked Vimto over next week. A delicious, "barely" alcoholic drink first introduced to me on the island last Summer. I cannot guarantee it will leave you feeling fresh as a daisy the following morning, but it will leave me with better odds on beating you to the turbot. Tom PS: How do these threads manage to change direction quite so rapidly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 influence of the sun and moon m8 tide drift ps I am currently on the wagon so will unfortunately have to miss out on your little concoction (or come off the wagon I suppose..............) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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