Afishionado Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 I can't believe I am doing this but it looks like we have settled on the Quicksilver 640 coupled with a new Mercury/Mariner 100hp 4 stroke and a nice (expensive ) berth at Cobbs. I can't remember if anyone in the club owns a Quicksilver whether it's a 640 or not but I would welcome any comments on them. Also the same goes for the Mercury 100hp 4st as an engine, particularly any ideas of fuel consumption at normal cruising speeds. Mark and I looked at all the 'Wheelhouse' type boats and felt that the Quicksilver was the one for us. We particularly liked the deck space which is up to twice that of similarly sized boats. Mad Mike (certifiabley so now according to the dear lady wife! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mike Is that the missus on the back Mark of nipper fame had a Quicksilver 640, I'm sure he will give you feedback Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fox Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks smart Mike! All you have to do now is to settle on a name... I'll back Pride of Morpork II.... Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mike Is that the missus on the back Mark of nipper fame had a Quicksilver 640, I'm sure he will give you feedback Martin Message from my Carol........... Tell them dirty minded bl00dy letchers that any comments about the bird in the back and her goodself would result in a blood fude that might take generations to resolve. And what's more she knows she could count on the support of the PBSBAC Wives to exact revenge!!! I would particularly like any feedback about the Mercury 100hp 4 stroke and the 4 strokes of this size in general. I know they are quieter than 2stk any way but it the fuel consumption that interests me, just how much better is it? Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fugazi Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mike, I used to have an Arvor 21 with similar wrap around plexi glass screen which gets scratched in the point of vision where the wipers work. Be prepared to spend quality time polishing the scratches out at frequent intervals to keep a clear view, it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 hi mike just read your post and yes the quick silver is starting to become quite a popular boat. as myself and rich have the smaller 580. in the past i have owned just about most of the quicksilver range and to look at they are a very good looking boat i started with the 500 which the fiberglass seemed to sink in to the boat, so it went back after a couple of months, then upgraded to the 560. owned that for about 8 months, went to boat show and fell in love with the 640 which i trailered, the engine i had on it was a 115 4 stroke. as i was advised the bigger engine isnt always being thrashed to get it on the plane. i owned the 640 a.k.a loyal royal for a year and oceanique had her for 6 months of that year putting all the faults and problems right. as i said lovely looking boat it is just a shame that they are made out of chocolate. feel free to ring me mike if you have any queries 07966 198093 mark b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted December 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 I understand that the 640 is rated for a 100hp for 2007, rather than the 115 hp they rated it in 2006...? In the loose term of 'average use' what was your fuel consumption in gallons per hour run? Did you feel that you had an 'unlucky' 640 Mark ? What were tha problem areas on your boat? Mad Mike PS what goes around comes around... The life jackets I had off you will now end up back on a 640 Small world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) Mike, I havent owned a quicksilver, but have read quite a bit about them / arvor's (same boat) Great looking boat, well thought out in terms of features etc. Not made well unfortunatly, have a decent search through google - I have heard of many owners having problems like Mark - if it's a 2nd hander these may have already been put right by the previous owner... http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7595 As for the engine - the 4 stk will be alot quieter than a 2 stk, better at low speeds (under 5 knots) as less lumpy and smoother and not smell / smoke. On the downside they can stuggle to plane a boat compared to a same sized 2 stk, so its better to aim slightly larger in the HP stakes. But I would have thought 100hp would be fine, it's the 90 that may be a little small. Finally, it appears they spec the 640 in France with a 135hp engine... Good luck! Edited December 29, 2006 by Adam F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moore Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mike Join the Etec club, a nice 115, a lot lighter and 3 years before your first service. As Adam said, a little noisier on tick over but certainly a lot quieter than the traditional 2 stroke. But once it's under way I would say that they are no louder than the Mariner and with the extra exceleration from the 2 stroke it would get you on the plane quicker. Decisions decisions. What ever you choose, I am sure you will be in love with it like I am (Sorry Mrs Mike, I am certain he loves you more!) Good Luck and look forward to seeing you out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 What ever you choose, I am sure you will be in love with it like I am Begining to get a little worried about your obsession Mr M.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted December 29, 2006 Report Share Posted December 29, 2006 Me too ( as in obsessed with the E-Tec ). Better acceleration, does NOT smoke / smell, fuel consumption is as good as if not better than an equivalent 4 stroke. 3 year service interval, less parts to go wrong, as quiet at speed, more responsive - can start without a battery. Downside is it is noisier at slow speed and you have to fill it with oil once a year. Actually, why am I telling you this Mike, it was you who stated sometime back that a 2 stroke was the way to go and you were correct IMHO, so I was suprised you were asking about a Mercury 4 stroke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 I used to (and still do) love my Mariner 150hp Optimax 2st. If I had to re-engine Maverick that was my choice.....a 175Mariner Optimax big is beautifull Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moore Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Another point Mike. If you are going on a mooring, a 3 year service interval would reduce the need to take her out of the water too often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Hi Mike I am sure you have thought long and hard about the boat and engine. I am also sure that you will have a great deal of fun on her, with the additional space, greater comfort and a walk on pontoon all adding to the enjoyment. We have berth Holders at the Club whose boating is greatly enhanced by a Marina berth. From more use of the boat for its primary use, easy access for upkeep and maintenance to simply sundowners while in the berth. Some use the Boat twice as much as they used too I am sure you and the crew will have a great new toy for 2007 . Tight Lines see you afloat. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 mike i had lots of problems with the said boat and its not just mine they seem to have the same problems and so do the arvors as they are built in the same place if you send me a pm with your email address i will email you the letter that i sent marine power and that will explane all . mark b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted December 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Paul D said........Actually, why am I telling you this Mike, it was you who stated sometime back that a 2 stroke was the way to go and you were correct IMHO, so I was suprised you were asking about a Mercury 4 stroke. You're dead right Paul! The reason I am asking opin's on the 4 stroke Merc' is that it is the engine offered with the package. I do have resevations partic' over servicing and the costs involved. I was in fact hoping that there would be enthusiastic reports on the Mercury 4s to put my mind at rest. I am now thinking seriously about getting back to Oceanique and asking them to quote on an Etec instead. Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nipper Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 mike i have sent you the letter that i sent marine power so what do you think now ? . it was not just my boat i think it was quicksilvers in genaral . there are some guys in the club that own some q/s ask them what they think one guy from essex has had his boat for a year and now they are replaceing it has he has had so many problems with it. spend the extra and speak to tom and buy a jeanneau for peace of mine and better bulid quality. if i could turn back time that is what i would do and i would still own the boat now as they are a lot better built from what i have seen of toms boat . mark b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted December 30, 2006 Report Share Posted December 30, 2006 Mike, I didn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 re Mercs I have to agree that from discussions over the years it seems generally accepted that they (Merc) made great 2 strokes, then developed Optimax which is still one of the best esp in the big sizes, but that they just didn't get the 4 strokes right in the was that Honda did early, and now Suzuki in spades. And then there's ETECs In the 100 hp range I would go for 115 ETEC or equivelent Suzuki 4st as engines of choice. Between them - a fag paper............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Mark B ........mike i have sent you the letter I haven't seen it yet Mark, was it a PM or an email? Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted December 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Engine aside the reason for the choice of the Quicksilver 640 was the vast deck space aft of the wheelhouse compared to other boats in it's class, the high level of 'standard' equipment, the interior finish (as seen on the various boats). We would love to have put a Jeannau on our short list but the deck space Vs cabin space ratio is inverse that of the Quicksilver. ie Smaller deck bigger cabin. unfortunately we have not been able to talk to Tom as a sign on his office says he is not back untill the 3rd Jan. As for the engine,it depends on whether the dealers offer makes the Mercury the mandatory engine within the offer or not. I am VERY reluctant to go ahead with the Mercury 4 stroke. But how do you guys rate the Mercury Optimax range? Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Martin is well pleased with his Optimax. Can't comment on the engine itself as never had one myself. What I do know though is that the Optimax depends upon having a battery in good condition ( ie. at least 10.8 volts ) or it will either fail to start or misfire. The E-Tec on the other hand does not even need a battery. Also I think the E-Tec will be quieter due to less moving parts ( ie. No belts ) - but I have no evidence of this. Do I get my commission from Evinrude yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 Mike My Warrior 195 is about the same weight as the 640 @ 1040kg without anything on it. My Optimax is a 150hp and has no trouble (as you would expect) pushing us along a a rapid rate of knots 36 in fact. She consumes an average of 1 litre of fuel per mile, which is on a par with 4st engines. On trips out to the rips which are roughly 26miles each way plus all the up and down movements connected with drift fishing, we would typically cover 80+ miles in a day and consumed about 80 litres of fuel. Smaller boats ie 165 with 60hp 4st engines used around 70 litres for the same trip, considering the weight difference I don't think thats to bad. At tickover 4st engines are definitely quieter than my engine but when cruising I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted December 31, 2006 Report Share Posted December 31, 2006 mike if it's a brunswick motor then the Optimax is the one to go for. personally it would be a no brainer for me - the 135 everytime. It's the start of the v6 range and has so much more smoothness (and redundancy in it's configeration) compared to the triples and 4 (125). I ran a non optimax Merc on my 660 - 175......... ..........which gave me a nice 54knot top end - but burnt a lot of fuel at that ! However it was significantly more frugal at 20/30 knots than the 125 at the same speed because of the consumption/rev curve on these ob petrol engines duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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