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  1. Hi Stuie, I've compared the pictures of Chris's fish with online guides and Peter Henderson's "Identification Guide", both at the time and today, and have a few observations that might assist. As you know, I studied and worked as a marine biologist for a time, though didn't specialise in rays and skates. - A fish's scientific identification is based on it's structure, not necessarily it's skin patterns or colour. which can vary with age and size; - Chris is a highly experienced angler, who has probably caught hundreds of blonde ray and quickly realised the fish was NOT a blonde ray, as it's patterns and colour might have initially suggested to most observers; - He took clear, detailed pictures and submitted them for identification from a reputable team of marine biologists, before returning the fish alive; - Based upon pictorial evidence alone, the marine biologists were "pretty sure" that it was a small-eyed ray (regretfully the short Press Release made this sound definitive); - For absolute proof, marine biologists would need the body, as would the British Rod Caught Records Committee, but Chris returned the fish alive. - The criteria to specifically identify a small-eyed ray look at the body structure of the fish and include ratio of eye spacing to eye-to-spiracle gap being at least double (passed), thorns extending from the tail half-way up the body (passed), white line on wing margin (passed), wing margin angle of around 90° (passed), short tail length relative to body length (passed); - The marine biologists also clarified that the "typical" white bands being missing are within the normal range of variation for this species. - Based on the burden of proof normally accepted by the Club, this identification is as good as we can expect without killing the fish. I guess there's two clear ways of moving forward with the media, either drop it and move on, or re-releasing the press release with clarification of how the identification was arrived at. Mike PS I think it was a fabulous fish, and commend Chris for returning it, and the diligent approach he followed. PPS Even if it beat me into second place in Fish of the Month for December
    8 points
  2. Blimey I didn’t expect all this for a ray, looking like Trump may need to step in and sort it out!!! I had slight doubt about the lack of lines on the body and as mentioned they don’t always have them on older fish I was told. Ive caught a few blondes today and they are completely different once you compare them. I was only concerned it was right as it took the club record, sorry Colin. Thanks for the interest guys and thanks Stuie for your efforts to date, top man. 👍
    5 points
  3. Stuie

    Fish of the Month - 2019

    Thanks for all that Mike - I'm leaving the release as it stands. Sadly the people who accept the release don't need to bother with facebook, only the vociferous minority who go into print.
    5 points
  4. Brian

    Evening sole trip.

    My daughter had a Jigsaw made of that photo as a Christmas present. I just wish there has been a few clouds to make the sky easier!!!!
    3 points
  5. Mike Fox

    Evening sole trip.

    Moral of the story, only go out fishing when the sky is interesting if planning a jigsaw!
    2 points
  6. Stuie I agree with you, there is nothing to prove to outsiders as no national records are being sought. Let the keyboard warriors go whistle and ignore them
    2 points
  7. Kingfisher 126

    Evening sole trip.

    Looking good Brian only 997 pieces to go!!! 😂😂
    1 point
  8. Stuck in my engine room trying to fit a diesel heater . Good job I’m not claustrophobic !! And lucky I only put on 5lb over Christmas, otherwise I’d still be there !! Think I put my hip out about 4 times though climbing in and out !!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    1 point
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