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1. Mrs Sea Greg + Crew TBC 2. Alfresco, Charlie Sam and Dan + crew TBC 3. Quest II Tom, Chris + 1 0r 2 TBC 4. Awol Martin, Dean + 1 TBC 5. Wight Magic , Dave + crew TBC 6. Phaeton, Duncan + crew tbc but is this 12/13 May or June - neither is a weekend...(which doesn't worry me anyway)

I really can't see much fishing over the next 7 days - this is the outlook for Selsey to Swanage from a respected source Simon Keeling's Weather Web He admits confidence is low over the period though - personally I wouldn't go far from full shelter as things can change really fast in such complex system interaction. Planning outlook: On Friday the area of low pressure will clear into the North SEa with a broad area of gales affecting much of the country. A frontal systems extends west to the east through more southern areas, bringing rain into southern ireland and along southern coasts of England. Windy with cloud and rain over England and Wales at first on Saturday morning as a shallow area of low pressure passes east. This should clear eastwards with brighter weather then following from the west through the afternoon. Associated with the brighter weather will be showers, some of them frequent and heavy in the west and south. Further showers for northwest England, but for the northeast and Northern Ireland it should be drier with some sunny spells. An area of rain pushes south through Scotland For Sunday an occluded front moves southeast and the winds turn more to the W or NW. The front will have some showery rain associated with it, but for most it will be a bright and cool day with bright spells. Showers in the west. The winds WSW F6 in the south at first, WNW F4 behind the occluded front. On Monday a further area of low pressure may move northeast through Ireland bringing strong winds and rain to western parts of the country. More northern and eastern areas will be dry with sunny spells. The winds will be SW F3 at first, but will back through the day to become SE F6 later. There are some hints of a ridge of high pressure building on Tuesday, although confidence is low. This ridge will bring sunny spells and dry weather across southern and eastern areas. More western and northern areas will have some cloud and outbreaks of rain, the winds increasing here as well. The winds will be mainly W-SW F3-F4 to the south, F6 to the northwest. Again it is unclear where high pressure will be on Wednesday, but it is likely to the southeast of the country. Low pressure will be to the northwest of Scotland, with a strong southwest wind inbetween. This will bring some heavy rain to western Scotland and Ireland, but low cloud and drizzle over western and southwestern coasts. Drier to the east and south. Winds SW F6-F7 but F8 on western coasts. On Thursday low pressure to the north of Scotland with higher pressure across southeast England. Cloud and rain associated with a front which will become slow moving over northern England and Wales. To the north it will be brighter with showers, drier to the south. Winds SW F5-F6

the problem with downsizing fleets is that this has no effect on the take - efficiency gains in deep water trawling over the last 10 years have been astronomical. you actually need to make such fishing effort uneconomical at the current stock levels through rigorous enforcement of combined selective quotas and TAC to reverse the cycle, but even this isn't going to work with species that migrate or spawn in 'international waters'. the lower/middle part of the food chain needs drastic attention, and would probably be the fastest route to some recovery in the 'UK waters' the only successful implementations I have seen are Norway/Iceland and some aspects of the US fisheries and they seem allied to draconian measures and policing! as to economics - I would hazard an estimate that the combined economic elements of PBSBAC and Poole Dolphins members boat and fishing expenditure with the added contribution from the Poole Charter fleet significantly exceeds the landed catch value of the poole commercial white fish fishery (although this is rather a poor comparison as it lands fish caught all over the place!) as someone has already pointed out it's politics rather than economics now.

"Whether we like it or not, ultimately there must be a demand for this sort of quantity of fish, otherwise it would not be financially viable to the big boys." sadly the economics are such that it's financially viable (marginal profit) processed as fertilizer or animal feed - which is not a whole lot different from growing plants to process as diesel fuel.... put another way there are a lot of different food chains out there, and increasingly these are unnatural and inefficient - being solely viable on current position (taxation/subsidy/whatever)

all these pop's at PJ I have been advised by a very high authority that his knots never fail; they are simply untied by the fish from time to time.

sounds sound

Rob, the chain is fulfilling more than one function - so there's no single right answer. It prevents chafing to the rode, including actually getting rubbed right through in a short time if you get the wrong circumstances! So the rule of thumb is 1.5 x the length of the boat as chain - although this makes no allowance for hull shape and displacements. For holding purposes the best place for the weight is at the end of the stock, so short and heavy works best. On the other hand in terms of setting performance you would want the weight in the anchor itself. Finally there is the issue of alderney ring mechanics and overall rode handling. Hence for most boats in the 17-25ft bracket you will see recommendation around 8-12m of 8mm chain with the former just counterbalancing a 7.5kg anchor, and the latter a 10kg.

Graham I have a spare 7.5 on Phaeton that I will swap for a 5 - it's locked up though, so it would have to wait until I am next down ( when I can leave it in your cockpit or otherwise make arrangements.) 7.5 with 10-12m of 8mm chain should be work fine for you - it was my set up on my 21ft'r previously...

got to laugh - I made the decision not to make any more calls about crew Monday at 1600.... what with people taking out their boats and it being a Monday! I bet it's a really great day!

you think it will suddenly turn up in Poole one year later?

Thursday is suddenly looking better on the Grib data.....will watch

window now seems to be overnight Wed at best - and there's not a lot of good stuff on the horizon that I can see! oh well I suspect you guys will have a great week at the beginning of Nov ('cos I'm away) though.

what's the collective view on the likely conditions 'out there' guys?

best of luck all - hope to see some good catch reports!

amazing - that's Dean's plan too...........

ah well - if it's oil injection you can leave that side, and just use he redex, or whatever, in the fuel to clean it up inside. this is the engine you got for nothing isn't it???

mike I may well be around next week if the weather gods smile - I haven't fished once yet this year though... I'll have a better idea by Saturday, with a view to heading down Monday night.

interesting thread my 2c 1. I would actually run it a little light on oil to start with - I would want the pre treatement redex to deliver my initial lubrication to the pots and then I want the fuel with a further redex treatment to wash away any gunge released around the rings etc. I'm also assuming here that the first 15 mins running are going to be in a tank and that this is an older engine running on pre-mix so, as someone else has commented, something closer to 200:1 (or less!) is what modern units will meter out at low revs. Keeping oil low will assist in the setting up of the cards, if adjustments needed! 2. Given the history of the unit I would probably just check that the gearbox oil is present until I know I have a runner from tank work - then I would flush and fill with the highest quality gearbox lube I could (Mercruiser High performance or similar) In practice I would probably only do the redex and fresh fuel until I knew it would fire/start but then everything listed is good - possibly add that there should be some form of anode somewhere that would probably benefit from replacement, check the prop for the normal and grease the prop shaft splines etc and even flush the waterways with something....... look forward to hearing progress!

dealing with the easy bit first (the quote) - of course not, because you will have spec'd the appropriate batteries and the wiring will be appropriate to the inverter......... put another way, this is the easy bit in one sense I don't know the boat you are getting so it's difficult to do other than generalise 1. you really need quite a big inverter to run a microwave, initial draw is going to exceed the rating significantly. 2. if you are planning to use it with the engine off (ie without the alternator charge) you will need huge batteries for the type of boats you have been discussing in other threads. To put this in perspective I have 1 x 170Ah and 1 x 110Ah batteries on Phaeton with an 800w inverter - but I have never actually used the inverter! It's not up to a microwave and I can see no point at all in using an electric kettle as I am never in a hurry and stick it on the stove! It's actually there for the wife's hair straighteners but, and here's the rub, when she needs them we are always in a marina so I connect them to the leccy there (I don't have 'shorepower' but I do have a lead and a 13amp socket on the other end ) In conclusion, wiring and batteries can be specced to the needs of the inverter, and the inverter can be specced to the needs - but, by the time you have all that on board is the boat big enough? bit of a reality check really - charging computers and mobiles is fine (but the latter use 12v anyhow) with small inverters; kettles make little sense, but microwaves can be really useful and generally work for short periods (I have never cooked any fish for 10mins in a microwave!!!) - if you want one install a 12v unit and appropriate batteries. whilst you can install split charging I have never found any need for more than a 1 2 both off battery switch because it's all driven from the alternator and I know when to give any specific battery all the charge. Again, for most of the installations we have in our boats the engine alternator will handle the entire bank. 400Ah banks with a small engine and infrequent charging, such as you find on a yacht, are a different matter (the pbsbac pennant is good but no sail!) edit - in the time I took to type this PeterR has put it all much more succinctly !

the other vessel was the Hanjin Rizhao, but only a few hours later I had her off and running up the channel and, right now, I can't find her at all! (no I don't think she's sunk!) YM Uranus doesn't appear on any AIS plots, and hasn't since the beginning of this episode for those like me who find such things 'fun' (not the accident) AIS plot

lst time I had an OB under water the advice was to get the engine back under water asap - really asap but this time in fresh water with an additional element (that I can't remember) after a few days you dry off the engine - oil and fuel, corrosion stuff on the outside and fire it up however, all the above was for a simple small OB with no wiring.......... mine worked absolutely fine (4st Merc) until some t'leaf nicked it. as to the rest you will need to 1. replace every wire and electrical component straight away 2. replace battery 3. wash off all wood (bulkheads etc) inc scrubbing with detergent. Then use a dehumidifier to dry things. 4. steering mechanism and cable may be a problem 5. engine control cables - may well be OK but a good clean. good luck edit - 'cos I forgot the control cables!

I thought we were talking about a bit less than this - if it's 50l then I would probably put is somewhere to settle out for a month, then siphon off 40 of them very carefully. Add some Fuelset and then further dilute/mix into the car when refilling over time. with care you should get another 5 for the mower - but I agree that even the last 5 is a lot of petrol to get rid of - burning is definitely not a sensible option (as it tends to explode as you know!).

1. syphon it all out into containers 2. refill with fresh - and add a bit of fuelset if you can salvage the old stuff for use in a mower then fine - I wouldn't put it anywhere near a boat or car engine unless I was absolutely sure it hadn't actually been contaminated in the first place.