great white Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hi guys Can anyone voice advice as to the best way to get a spigot ferruled rod apart. when I went out the other Saturday one of my uptiders would not come apart at the end of the trip. at the start of the day it was put together as normal, but during the day has become jammed. [maybe it was dusty even in its bag after so many months out of use.] It is a decent rod {Team Diawa] so I do not want to do anything drastic, and Sam and I have applied as much muscle as we can without success. any ideas?? Thanks Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Charlie, A direct pull with a very slight rotation method is needed. Get a person on each and with a firm direct pull, then get a third person to gently grasp the ferrule / joint and rotate it slightly - this usually works. If you are on your own, sit down, put the rod under your kness to grip and open your legs to pull apart, then use your hands to rotate the blank, both insde your legs and outside - this also works. Hope you can understand my explination?>... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaicemat Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I solved a similar problem by applying hot (NOT boiling) water to the joint and then pulling apart. It is important not to get it TOO hot because if you twist it too much pulling it apart, it will distort the fibres. If you do get it pretty hot, only exert a straight pull. I don't know what your rod is made of; mine was a carbon fibre mix salmon fly rod. Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Surely the heat would cause the joint to expand? Having a derogatory effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Charlie, there is an ancient trick that often works but I don't know why it works when other methods do not. Two people, one hold the upper portion with their right hand and the lower portion with their left. The second person stands directly in front of the first facing him and mirrors the grip of the first person so that he ends up with his right hand on the upper section and his left hand on the lower. Now each person gently twists one way with one hand and t'other way with the other hand and at the same time pulls the spigot apart. This trick has worked for me for over 50 years, it sounds far more complicated written down than it actualy is in use. Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Oh, and when / if you finally do get it apart, apply some candle wax to the joints to prevent further problems.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaicemat Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Adam, no it doesn't, only if the water is too hot. The female section expands first, before the heat gets to the inside. This is not a conjecture on my part; I've done it and it worked! Also, to assist grip I use that rubbery matting stuff that people put on dashboards to stop things moving around. I always have some in my box as I have limited grip in my left hand due to (temporary, I hope) knackered tendons. It is very cheap from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Google search found :- spigot stuck ... then got two of us to hold each end (about 3 foot away from the join) and apply tension, Dave then took hold of the joint sections and moved it in a wide circular action (no pulling or twisting)... after about 3 minutes the joint popped open ... a very useful and handy tip .. Dave said that Diawa have a special machine that is designed to do the job!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Adam and Terry are getting into the famous argument involving the physical properties of materials If a material expands when it is warmed what is the effect of heating a torus of that material? Does the 'hole' in the center of the torus expand (get bigger) or does the actual hole get smaller because tha material of the torus has expanded. Back to back guys, walk 10 paces each turn and fire! Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will church Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 I have never understood this either, though as when you heat a nut and bolt it comes undone I can only assume the hole gets bigger.....or there is another magic property such as the expansion of any part cracks all the grime holding it together... I don't know, I'll stick to fishing. Don't know too much about that either! Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The hole gets bigger, many engineering items are assembled by heating the ring (e.g. Starter Ring Gear onto a Flywheel). Think of it as, the circumferences, both inner and outer get bigger with heat and if the circumference is bigger the diameter has to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 The hole gets bigger, many engineering items are assembled by heating the ring (e.g. Starter Ring Gear onto a Flywheel). Think of it as, the circumferences, both inner and outer get bigger with heat and if the circumference is bigger the diameter has to be. Give the man a coconut! Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBettle Posted July 17, 2006 Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 When we need to remove a stuck on prop off a shaft we heat the area of shaft around the prop and it's key way. Pops off a treat with a little extra assistance from Mr Mallet after that. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted July 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2006 Thanks Guys we have tried the gentle heat method and the pull and twist next time we will try the hold 3ft apart and rotate, as that looks to have a good chance. I can not remember knocking the rod but I must have done during the trip. Thanks again Charlie failing that and I will get Gary around, if his strength can not do it with some rubber for grip then it may be staying a one piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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