petesnr Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 All the ideas sound great to me but it is Mark who needs to hear them. It's no good us discussing them and agreeing what we would like to see without passing the ideas on. That is history repeating itself. The Angling Trust is a new start with different people and we can't tar them with the same brush as we did the NFSA without giving them a chance. If you don't agree with what an organisation does then you can withdraw your support but you will never change anything by not engaging in the first place and the only way to engage is by becoming a member. If Mark is the only paid employee and we are already complaining about the 'bottomless pit' we stand no hope against people with vested interests worth millions who will employ barristers and professional lobbyists to further their aims. I have a bottomless pit moored in Poole Harbour into which Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 The talk i heard last year was much more upbeat and full of stategic content. Mark and the AT took a leap of faith to provide a decent structure to suport the forecasted membership. This is something the NFSA never acheived, they could hardly respond to an email in many cases. The AT has been let down badly by a lack of support and we have seen the depressing sight of redundancies already! I have nothing but praise for Mark Lloyd and his commitment to the cause, i would have given up ages ago and been left with the impression that the UK angler derserves what they get and what they are willing to pay for. It really depresses me to think that anglers are willing to sit back and do nothing, watching an organisation like this go down the pan. You can wait for something to happen or you can make something happen by doing something positive with your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 "One of the problems is many of us have become used to the current state of fishing as the norm, no idea of what fishing could or should be like." I agree Paul - take Canada as an extreme example - lots of regulation, expensive licenses, bag limits, seasons for vaious species and LOADS of good fishing. I'd be well up for that in the UK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Rob I have seen that first hand in NZ they have controls and are willing to enforce them, and good fishing again after years of decline. No doubt it took people like Mark to start the ball rolling As Peter says Mark and the AT need to know our feelings, perhaps someone should send him an email link to this thread. As others have said, I will join to try and help in a tiny tiny way, but with good marketing and PR how many others would also join up. I have a lot invested in a recreational angling boat, how much would she be worth with no fish? I hope to go offshore at the weekend, it will cost about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted January 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 For those who are members of the AT here is a link to their forum http://anglingtrust.forumotion.net/index.htm You do need to register and then wait for an approval email before you can enter any messages but you can read what is going on. Dave PS Admin Perhaps we need an AT forum slot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Perhaps we should show our support as a club? Are we allowed to put the AT logo on our site, prominently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 I forgot to add my thanks to Dave ( Coddy) for organising the event Judging by the attendance (Circa 70) and the commentary here it seems it was a worthwhile event cheers Dave PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggcol Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Well done to all this has got people talking and quite a few are parting with their cash. Keep the new memberships coming. We need representation at the highest level and these are only guys who can deliver. Forget the past the NFSA is dead and gone and lets move forward by supporting the AT. Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike60 Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I joined the AT a year ago & since then I have gone at it hammer & tongue, mostly in the forums of WSF. The way I see it is that we are now facing the biggest threats to our sport we have ever seen, We need to meet the challenges that are most definately going to present themselves in the very near future, strong & as a force to be reckoned with. Is there anyone on these forums or any other on the other sites that is going to put thier coat on and march to the corridors of power to personally fight our corner against the idiots who want to sell us out to the euro nutters, or the bird watchers & animal rights lot who would love to see the back of us. Since the new legislation & conservation zones etc there is a pile of so & so`s coming out of the woodwork to use that legislation as a weapon against us, Which one of you is going to fight them off then!? The simple fact of the matter is WE NEED A BODY TO FIGHT OUR CORNER, The AT is that body, THERE IS NO ONE ELSE!, 10 yrs down the line when its all gone pear shaped for us all, I can sit back & be justified in having a moan about how events have turned out because I paid my membership to at least give the AT a chance to help us. WHAT DID YOU DO? Its all down to personal choice, but remember one thing! While your all arguing & doing nothing but slating anyone who tries to help, time is ticking away & I guarentee that our opponents are making better use of that time than we are. like has been said, whats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirky Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I joined last week........and have been thinking.... In my professional career I was required to have achieved a certain status and qualification AND join a body called the Engineering Council before I could become a Chartered Member .....and I was required to be Chartered to practice as an Engineer. I wonder if this would be the sort of thing that could be applied to leisure fishing clubs such as ours. We already have to pay our water authority license to fish inland waters....could all clubs make membership of the AT a requirement of joining the club ....proof would be required annually at renewal !! (there may be the stumbling block !!) Just a thought.....All clubs would need to sign up to this too.....so there would need to be some central co-ordination......AND already I am talking my self out of this.....What a stupid idea !! OH well.......I had a dream !! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I was going to suggest a while ago that the fish of the month award this year would be an AT membership, Then realised that this may be just too difficult. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjb Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I have joined many organisations over the years , i have been on all the countryside marches in london because i am a very keen field sportsman hunting ,shooting ,fishing and i still pay my dues but i often wonder for what, it seems to me the goverment take advise from faceless men who dont know there backside from there elbow and to hell with the rest of us hope i am wrong graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fox Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) Open Letter to: Mark Lloyd of the Angling Trust (from an ordinary sea angler) Dear Mark, Thanks for taking your time to give the PBSBAC a presentation this month, which was both educational and interesting. You might remember me as the chap that asked you a rather innocent question as to what you were doing about discards from commercial fishing vessels. While you answered my question, agreeing it is an issue, you did not respond in a manner that demonstrated you have a clear strategy to deal with this. I did point out this was a Edited January 31, 2010 by Mike Fox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Mike have you posted that letter to Mark as I doubt he reads our forum? Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fox Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Yes Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 As ever Mike, Very well Put! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Mike have you posted that letter to Mark as I doubt he reads our forum? Martin I wrote to (emailed) him the day after his visit, and included a link to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fox Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 All, I received the following reply from Mark via e-mail on 1st Feb, which I copy in full here. Am not seeking to influence anyone, just keep everyone informed about an interesting response. ------------------------ Dear Mike, Thanks for your e-mail and I appreciate your suggestions. I also enjoyed meeting everyone the other night and took on board several ideas for specific campaigns. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Mark also responded to my email very quickly and positively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprinter Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 At last nights meeting we again went back to the point about why not offer membership to clubs for sale so that the clubs get the odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I like that idea re: RNLI could be a good sales aid for them Does anyone have Marks email addy to either forward Zed's idea or point mark to here? Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Moving on: As well as being an inducement to get sea anglers to join after a period of time it could also be a point worth advertising ie AT donates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirky Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 The Countryside Alliance has got a fishing section too.....although it is mainly for Sport/Fly fishing they do support course fishing too I believe....... They have been campaigning for years now and have considerable "clout" I believe. Worth forging some bonds and considering some joint campaigns with them too I would think !! If it is possible !! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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