jay kay Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Hi, i have been offered a 17foot Dory its got a 40hp outboard. I was interested what other peoples views are on them im not sure if it is foam filled or how 2 tell the difference between one that is and is not, i would only want to go to poole patch at the furthest. Can anyone advise me of good and bad points and things i should look out for please? Also what they are like on the water if it gets a bit choppy? The same guy has also got a Wilson Flyer Hull for sale which has no deck and the Transom needs to be replaced is it something to avoid? Is there anyone in the club that would be able to do the work needed or recommend someone that could help me out? thanks for any comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Save up and buy something a bit better. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 (edited) Photo's would help. Is the dory cathedral hulled, like I would expect the wilson flyer to be? Is there a cabin, cuddy or spray dodger? There are a number of people in the club who have experience of dory/wilson flyer/pilot/nab type boats. I had a Wilson Flyer 17 with a cabin and bridge screen + 60 hp. Great fun in light conditions. Very stable fishing platform for it's size. As with all vessels they have their limitations as well as advantages and these little gems are no different. A cathedral hull dory is very economical on the plane but can give a very 'lively' ride with even a modist sea running. This did not put me off, but you need to be very steady, confident and fit. As they ride every wave rather than cut through them, there is a great tendency to slam so anything that is not nailed down will become airbourne if you push too hard. I had a great time in mine for many years and fished from Poole and Christchurch, ranging from North Head,The Needles and Southborne at the Xchurch end and Durlston Head to Southborne from Poole. All boats have their querks and abilities so without having been onboard this one it is impossible to give a firm opinion, so take this as a generalisation and not a rubber stamp. A bit more information would be helpful. Good luck Edited December 12, 2010 by Wedger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 I too learnt a lot in the years that I owned a Wilson Flyer a very stable boat for its size at anchor. Initially I had an old 45hp on mine and it was pants, it only planed at WOT. but I upgraded to a 60hp and it was a totally differant craft. Later I took out the back off of the cabin and converted it into a cuddy and the weight reduction made performance even better. Also the ability to tuck back into the cuddy improved the comfort. Sure there are better boats if you have the budget, but a cheap flyer is also a very good fishing craft. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 hi, Thanks for replies... Both Boats are cathedral hull (bumpy ride?) The Dory has a steering console but no cuddy or anything similar, and built in storage at the front of boat. The Wilson is literally just a bare hull with no deck and the Transom is knackered and needs to be replaced. At some point it has has a cabin which has been removed. At first i liked the idea of the wilson because i could get it rebuilt bit by bit and have it how i want it, would i be looking at big money to have the floor and transom fitted? I worry about foam filled hull on a dory becoming waterlogged if there is any damage to the hull? (not sure if this dory is foam filled though, need to find out) I took a couple of pics of both and i will try to add them in a min. Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Jon, It's starting to sound like a lot of work. Homework needed. My yard has seen quite a few project boats come and go. Some mine - most not - thankfully. Let's see the pics! Often a bargain can be an expensive bag of worms. Sometimes, a simple ready to go option will set a pleasant platform on which to build. I was lucky to buy a 'goodun' from a friend. Had that gone wrong I'd have probably given up. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 Think i will give the Wilson a swerve! I am thinking about the dory though i will find the lead tomor and put the pics on. Cheers Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 If it is foam filled - ensure it is not waterlogged! I have a new 40 on my 13ft dory and that flew - I woudl suggest 40 on a 17 to be well underpowered. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike02380 Posted December 13, 2010 Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 whats your budget jon, on the face of it this looks reasonable dependant on engine http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/view/PAA17966 hth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 Not enough of a budget for a warrior... yet! The Dory is also for sale without the engine. I have got a mate looking over it this weekend if he says its alright i think i might go for it without and try and find a 60hp 4stroke. Is there a way of finding out if its water logged without a weigh bridge!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotu2uk Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Balsa fill, used as part of the skin, mainly on sailing boats, can get waterlogged, but closed cell foam used to add buoyancy is (generally) impervious to water. As each bubble in the foam is seperate from it's neighbour (although joined), water in one bubble from mechanical damage does not travel to neighboring bubbles. This is why Boston Whaler and Etap use it to fill between hull and liner. there is a video of half of a dauntless at speed, with the whole front of the boat sawn off. Looks daft. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Thanks for the help everyone. I am going to keep looking around as the dory no longer includes a 40 but now an old johnson 25 and is not for sale without it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Very Wise ! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Thanks for the help everyone. I am going to keep looking around as the dory no longer includes a 40 but now an old johnson 25 and is not for sale without it!! What sort of budget have you got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 You're not flogging Megabyte are you Brian ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Not sure what my top money would be it depends what i can find! I cant justify spending big money because i work all week and i like to spend time with my mrs and kids during the weekends to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) You're not flogging Megabyte are you Brian ? No chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited December 14, 2010 by Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Have you looked here, Boats and Outboards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Try looking at Gumtree http://www.gumtree.com/ You can search localy Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted December 14, 2010 Report Share Posted December 14, 2010 Unless you advise us of a budget we can't help!!! There is a big difference between Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Not sure what my top money would be it depends what i can find! I cant justify spending big money because i work all week and i like to spend time with my mrs and kids during the weekends to! My take on this would be that you perhaps haven't the time to restore a craft. It really is important to set yourself a budget so you have a framework into which the considered purchases can be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Nash Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Jay Kay .... I have only been into boating for the last 2 years, in that time I have bought 4 boats, an inflatable, 2 kayaks and numerous engines. I have lost a small fortune in wasted purchases, but have learned some expensive lessons along the way. A few of these lessons are ... I am NOT a boat builder, so don't kid myself that I am. Buy rubbish, buy twice (or more in my case). Get the best and more importantly the most reliable engine you can find. I would seriously suggest you get out on a few boats before you decide on the boat you think you want as they all have different deck spaces, handling, performance and characteristics, speak to owners at the slipways and see what they think of their boats. I had a couple of displacement hull boats, which were great cutting through rough seas, but rocked like a pendulum at anchor and took all day to reach the marks. I now have a 17ft dory type boat with a virtually new 15hp outboard which i use very occasionally within the harbour (or just outside). This is great, very light to launch and has masses of deck space, but very low sides so I wouldn't take it out of the harbour if there were any waves or swell. I also now have my bigger boat for use outside the harbour, which I use much more since I have had it at Rockley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I would like to spend around 1500 idealy i have been told a 4stroke would be a better engine to buy but dont really know the difference to a 2 stroke it would not matter to much if it needed a little bit of work as iv got a mate who can do that for me. The reason i liked the Dory and open Wilson was the space that i would have. Thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinbad Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 There's a very nice 5-6m RIB down the road from me, bought brand new 15 years ago, used once and then left to push daisies.... I am tempted to ask whether the guy wants to sell it on..... but I dont have enough time to use my own boat let alone start a project... but it seems a shame to let it go.... Anyone interested ???? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay kay Posted December 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I could be Paul i loved my Rib the only problem with it was it was 2 small! Is it someone you know that has it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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