Member Removed Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 Hi went out last Saturday beautiful day no wind and flat seas. I am after some advice/ help ? I brought a raider 16 this time last year and I have notice anything of 15 knots is very uncomfortable very hard ride even on Saturday ! It has a 75 hp etec on the back with a 4 hp aux. I have only owned ribs before so dont know if this is normal or something wrong with my set up ? I would be grateful to hear from other members or indeed other raider owners ! Many thanks Jim Quote
Adam F Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 My obvious question although it doesnt help you - is didnt you have a ride before you bought it?! That aside - Ive not owned a radier 16, but a good mate has one and Ive fished from her many times. I wouldnt say the ride was hard, not as hard as a full catherdral hull, but as she has a gullwing hull (a half way house between a V and trihull / catherdral) a raider 16 will slap and bang a bit. My other point is that she is only 16' but feels bigger, so dont expect the ride of a bigger vessel. Finally - if youre used to ribs, almost anything will feel hard - they are very, very soft riding. Your set-up sounds fine to me. Adam Quote
plaicemat Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) If it's porpoising, you may consider adjusting your engine trim or think about trim tabs. Terry. Edited April 26, 2011 by plaicemat Quote
duncan Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 difficult to see how any element to your set up would impact the 'feeling' you have outlined - if you are used to ribs you will appreciate trim etc as Adam says, the whole boat will feel pretty different - generally Ribs have heavily build fine entry hulls with lightweight topsides. The Raider, like many, will have a very lightly built hull that's stiffened and carries, relatively, more weight in the topsides than a similar length rib. That same hull will be designed to give more resistance (flatter profile) than the rib in order to deliver fuel efficiency (with the weight being carried). in many ways different ribs tend to have the same issues with the more 'serious' hulls being softer riding in heavier conditions but delivering (relatively) poor fuel economy and lower load carrying capability. Quote
Maverick Martin Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 The most appropriate line so far is it's only 16'.... Any boat suitable for angling that length unless supported by tubes will give a hard ride. Reason being you need a fairly beamy boat to length for stability at anchor. This then impacts on the deadrise of the boat ie shallower V meaning the boat hurts more on impact with water due to the flatter bottom profile of the boat. Tubes give more stability and therefore allow for a narrower boat with more deadrise ie sharper V I used to own a hardy 17' We drove that boat fairly hard and it paid us back with back crunching landings that said I probably had as much if not more fun in that boat as I do now in a 27 footer Martin Quote
mike02380 Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 i have read it suggested (on wsf) that raiders are best driven fast as it helps create a cushion of air under th gul wing, not tried this in my 18 yet - the weather has been too good and its always been flat calm Quote
Graham Nash Posted April 26, 2011 Report Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) I have a raider 18 and find it can sometimes land quite hard on the waves, sometimes jarring you right through to the bones but its all part of the fun . It rarely makes me slow down I would also agree with Mikes comments above .... a couple of weeks ago we headed over to the shambles in a reasonable sea, at 15 knots it was uncomfortable and not much fun, at 24 knots it was uncomfortable but GREAT fun Edited April 26, 2011 by Graham Nash Quote
Adam F Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Little Sal said: I have a raider 18 and find it can sometimes land quite hard on the waves, sometimes jarring you right through to the bones but its all part of the fun . Erm - thats one way of putting it! Basically as others have said, fast and comfortable dont go together with small fishing boats. If you want fast - youve got the right boat. If you want comfortable you'll need something fully dispacement, a good example would the 18' Plymouth Pilot - wont go much faster than 10 knots but smooth and comfortable. It's all a matter of compromise. Give the raider a few trips, they are a good boat and I'm sure youll get used to it. Adam Quote
Mike Fox Posted April 27, 2011 Report Posted April 27, 2011 Hi Jim, I anchored near you on Saturday on the Ledge and we shared a few words. I had a trip out in a Raider 16 called Stargazer (the same boat I suspect) a few years ago with a club member Chris Corkindale, and remember he drove it at around 20-25 knots and there was significant jarring and I needed to stand with bent knees to cushion the motion. Increasing the speed did help matters. The other thing I remember from helming was that the wheel was incredibly sensitive to small movements, resulting in large changes to course, so driving at speed proved difficult to keep on course. He had clearly more practice than me, and his track was almost straight...unlike mine That said, the boat was spacious, comfortable at anchor, and I had a 14lb 6oz bass from it, so I thought it was great! Mike Quote
Member Removed Posted April 27, 2011 Author Report Posted April 27, 2011 Thanks for your posts!! I Will give the more speed theory a try and see what happens ? Very happy with the boat just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong Thanks again Jim Quote
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