charlieannear Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Hi All Basically my situation is that although my trailer has a great chassis, I need to replace the following: Bearings, brakes, tyres and the stub axle is pretty heavily pitted. It's bradley Doubledock and I have no idea about part nos etc. Would I be better off buying a new axle complete? C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Hi All Basically my situation is that although my trailer has a great chassis, I need to replace the following: Bearings, brakes, tyres and the stub axle is pretty heavily pitted. It's bradley Doubledock and I have no idea about part nos etc. Would I be better off buying a new axle complete? C. Charlie, How about I pop round next week and talk this over with you rather than going into reams of writing here. IMO you will have a choise between what you Need and what one might want. Naturaly one is a lot cheaper than the other! But both will serve a purpose Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Charlie, How about I pop round next week and talk this over with you rather than going into reams of writing here. IMO you will have a choise between what you Need and what one might want. Naturaly one is a lot cheaper than the other! But both will serve a purpose Mad Mike Now there's an offer you can't refuse! Coddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Charlie, I replaced my axle back in the winter from trailertek in Winchester area. I can recommend this company, maybe worth asking for discount. when ordering double check all dim`s then check again!!!!!!!! also the man has a very strong Italian accent so make sure you understand him. when my axle did come it was the same as idespention but about half the price. i hope this is some use to you. Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 29, 2006 Report Share Posted July 29, 2006 Charlie, How about I pop round next week and talk this over with you rather than going into reams of writing here. IMO you will have a choise between what you Need and what one might want. Naturaly one is a lot cheaper than the other! But both will serve a purpose Mad Mike Now there's an offer you can't refuse! Coddy 'Honi Soir Qui Mal y pense' Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted July 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Panic over, the rusty part of the stub axle is the space beteen the bearing surfaces. So it's just a case of new bearings and brakes... and tyres! C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Panic over, the rusty part of the stub axle is the space beteen the bearing surfaces. So it's just a case of new bearings and brakes... and tyres! C. Bearings ..... Just up the road from you near the traffic lights 'Ashley Bearings'. Take one of the old ones as a pattern. (inner bearings might be a different size to the outer) Tyres..... Try Trents for a quote on a new but cheapy, the people I use are Kinson tyres (handy for me and never beaten on price) phone them with your lowest quote and they will usualy beat it. I bought one for my trailer for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted July 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Bearings- will pay Ashley Bearings a visit tomorrow Brakes- I went to SMC on Ashley Road and they said I won't get new ones like what I've got. What I have are rusted up but have plenty of meat left on them. So I'll have to clean them up. Tyres- Typically what I have are an unusual size 155/70 R12. Van tyres I think so will have to get hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Bit pricey your tyres ! Is your boat really that heavy though. As in do you really need a braked trailer ? Neo is sitting on an unbraked trailer and I have no problems towing her, plus no worries with brakes. 750KG max allowed ( inc. trailer ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 155/70 R12.? What you have aint necessarily what you need as replacements. 90% of 1.55 /12 will do for a boat on a trailer. And I agree with Paul, are brakes realy necessary for your intended regular use? If you definatly want brakes I am sure they can be sourced at a reasonable price via more informed people than the lads at SMC, or if you go the cleaning route get some 'brick cleaning spray' from a builders merchant (dilute hydrochloric acid) and spray the rusty metal, leave for 10 min' and scrub off with plenty of water. You'll end up with the metal a sort of black colour which is Ferric Oxide. Feric Oxide is a rust inhibitor in its own right, but a splash of Hammerite completes the job. Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 The Shetland family 4 is double skinned foam filled and it IS heavy, definitely nneds braked trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 The Shetland family 4 is double skinned foam filled and it IS heavy, definitely nneds braked trailer. With respect Kam to just run it down the road to launch at Poole it does not NEED a braked trailer. It might be nice to have it braked but definitely need? No Sir. Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 The Shetland family 4 is double skinned foam filled and it IS heavy, definitely nneds braked trailer. With respect Kam to just run it down the road to launch at Poole it does not NEED a braked trailer. It might be nice to have it braked but definitely need? No Sir. Mad Mike Mike You are incorect with your assumption. Legally if your rig weighs more that 750kg it HAS to be braked that is the law. Also although your trailer doesnt need an mot it must be in a roadworthy condition ie:if brakes fitted they must work correctly and the trailer must not be falling apart Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted July 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Re the brakes- I have cleaned them up lubed the working parts and they now work nicely. I do need new cables though as the old ones are well rusty- most likely the cause for the brakes sticking on. Apart from legally requiring brakes on the trailer, as the Shetland is very likely to be over 750kg, the other reason for needing brakes is that if I'm moving the trailer by hand I need the handbrake to be working, as once the Shetland gets moving it's not easy to stop! When I put the boat on the driveway we lowered the trailer down the drive by hand as there isn't really enough turning room (for me at least!) to do it with the car. Four of us weren't enough to stop the trailer on that occsasion (anyone who has seen my drive will understand why! ) Re the tyres- yep, they do seem to be pricey. Bit of an unusual size apprently. Found them cheaper than that on www.blackcircles.com though. Reckon it's safest to get near enough what is on there already. It's a heavy boat and so normal car tyres might not be man enough. But a van tyre like the one the blackcirlces suggests ought to be OK. In short I think my axle is of a different era than the chassis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 The Shetland family 4 is double skinned foam filled and it IS heavy, definitely nneds braked trailer. With respect Kam to just run it down the road to launch at Poole it does not NEED a braked trailer. It might be nice to have it braked but definitely need? No Sir. Mad Mike Mike You are incorect with your assumption. Legally if your rig weighs more that 750kg it HAS to be braked that is the law. Also although your trailer doesnt need an mot it must be in a roadworthy condition ie:if brakes fitted they must work correctly and the trailer must not be falling apart Martin Firstly I doubt that the all up of Charlies outfit is more than 1650lbs and secondly perhaps I was not making my self clear. You do not NEED to have a braked trailer in as much as it will do the job legal or not to do short local trips. I expect to jinx my self by saying this but I have never been stopped and have never had a braked trailer with brakes that worked. However Charlies trailer is a cracking job with all the right gear. What I was trying to say was that if the brake parts were hard to source/and or Very expensive and one still wanted to use the boat one could do the job using the trailer with no brakes fitted. Mad Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Moore Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 (edited) Charlie I spent a few years in the tyre trade (I even have a city & guilds certificate in cars and light commercial tyre fitting ) You are right about the heavy trailer requiring stronger tyres (same wieght as your car but on only 2 wheels) so van tryes would be the ideal choice but if you only ever do the short local trips you are never going to put the kind of stress on a modern car tyre that would cause it to fail. (don't buy remoulds) The size you have 155 x70 x12 is a low profile tyre, the 70 is the percentage of the full hieght so a 155 x 12 will be fine and you will probably find were the original tyre size and will certainly be cheaper. Again, shop around which ever tyre you choose and you will find the small independents are more than likely to haggle than the big chains Good Luck Gordon Edited July 30, 2006 by Manic Moore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 The Shetland family four weighs 700 kilos without engine fuel batteries etc so the final all up weight of the boat will be in the region of 1000 kilos making brakes a legal requirement From the shetland website Shetland Family Four Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 For what it is worth I have towed my Warrior without brakes fitted to save the damage from immersing the trailer at Baiter! Anyway, the effect from not having brakes is huge and would not do it again let alone if I needed to stop in a hurry if someone or something jumped out in front of me! Also it is worth noting that you would need to lock up the head stock of the trailer to prevent it from moving, which it normaly does when pressing the brakes on, as a replacement head from indispention is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted July 30, 2006 Report Share Posted July 30, 2006 Family 4 -700kg engine- 80kg (probably more) battery-25kg each fuel-25kg additional bits and bobs-50kg That's before the trailer itself WHICH MUST also be included in the overall weigh, 100kg. Way, way over the 750kg limit. That is if he has a car which can tow an unbraked trailer at 750kg, medium size family car are most likely to have a limit of 650kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 On the subject of trailers, does anyone know where i might lay my hands on a decent roller coaster, that will take a vessel, say, the size of a Qucksilver 540?? Rich Apart from the trailer shop, that is!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Rich, Keep an eye out here: http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/category/Other/Trailers Something like this I woulkd have thought: http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F105436/ Although dont count out a new one, they arent that bad, maybe worth having a chat with Indespenion in Poole. For a Quicksilver 540, I wouldnt have thought you would need a massive beast, a single axel would be fine. --------------------------------------------- As for the conversation on braked vs unbraked - if your boat is over 750kg legal limit and you have an unbraked (or braked but not working) trailer you need to seriously consider this - as others above have said, 1.) It is illegal and I have known plenty of people who have been pulled over and done on this and 2.) It is downright dangerous with most vehicles, trying to emergancy stop with over a ton of boat behind you is NOT funny.... ...you will be surprised, even the smaller of boats when loaded with kit and the trailer can approach 750kgs - anything Warrior 165 sized is definatly over the limit. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaicemat Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Also worth considering, would your insurance be valid in the event of an accident. This would, presumably, apply to the car as well as the trailer if this was seen to be a contributary factor to the accident. Terry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Thanks chaps. Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) Found this site which has the best prices I've seen, plus under 'Technical Tips' an explanation of what all those numbers and letters on the tyre mean! 2 new cables on the way home with Diane for the princely sum of Edited July 31, 2006 by charlieannear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted July 31, 2006 Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Also worth noting that the weight of 750 KG includes the trailer as well.... so a Shetland Family Four starting at 700 Kg means it is going to be well over 750 Kg once trailer and engine are added. One of the selling points of the 520 is that you can tow it on an unbraked trailer - just..... However, I have replaced my 76 Kg engine with one weighing 120 Kg..... hmm To sum up. Boat 340 Kg Engine 120 Kg Anchor / Chain 10 Kg Fuel 30 Kg Batteries 30 Kg Fishing tackle / weights / rope 50 Kg 580 Kg Leaving 200 Kg for the trailer. Anyway I have a feeling of deja - vue here. Granted an emergency stop with the boat may be fun but towing with the X-Trail it is less of an impact compared to the Mondeo as the weight of the boat relative to the car is so much less. ( I sometimes forget the boat is there ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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