Well I was out again Sunday this time with my son, Fishing moderate, but an interesting situation occured, during the afternoon I looked round to see just appearing round my bow an 8ft pram dingy (we where right on the extremes of the ledge about 4mls out) Little day breeze just coming up, Dingy,oar and small electric outboard driven with one adult and a boy of about 8-9yrs old both jigging for Macks. Not a tender to any anchored boat and NOT A BLO!!!!DY lifejacket between them!! after a few words (carefull not to scare the lad) they made for the beach with I think a lot of us watching them. Is there no end to peoples stupidity, Derek,