I will be controversial, I worked for years with the Dorset wildlife trust, English nature, (natural england), woodland trust, Herpetalogical conservation trust, etc.etc. and other smaller groups too numerous to mention!! the trouble is they are neither ''barmy'' or ''pillocks'' their membership/management is full of people with degrees coming out of their ears But they are incapable of having an open mind on their own subject, it is drilled into their volunteers that they are the only people with an opinon worth listening to as they are the only ones who know what they are talking about, they are so good at it that usualy ''the powers that be'' only give credit to their opinion, a typical example is St Catherines Hill at hurn, Have a look at tonights echo. I am very sceptical, Derek V,