Hi Graham, yes I spotted it at tea time when I came in from work, it seam to come from nowhere, on metcheck Saturday seams to be the best day at the moment but it could all change, I spoke to one member earlier and will update my thoughts tomorrow,includeing speaking to another member tomorrow, I don't think I will bring my boat down but iam considering hiring a charter boat, so will be talking to kieth In the morning on the subject all being well. Best wishes Colin.